Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'

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Soon we will not exist... well maybe in the eyes of Russians according to maps used by their education establishments ....
Moscow Lomonosov State University map without GB
I would have thought with all the software produced by old Russian hackers that the current crop would be able to do better editing than just rubbing out GB
 
To move this informed conversation to the future. To say CBRN is going to be the flavor of the month at MOD and the Home Office for some time to come is a no brainer. To say that the CBRN Regt will return to full strength mucho pronto will not get you extra chocie biscuits at your next CO's interview. However, do you see regional CBRN Regts standing up asap, regular or Army reserve and RAuxAF or a mix of both. Have not included RN as they seem to have acute manpower problems and will not welcome to take on this role?

More radical, a return in a limited form of the old Civil Defence Corps and or Royal Observer Corps, I understand that at the time these two set ups were cheap as chips, free uniform, modest travelling allowance and a small allowance if you attended for a training day? Society has moved on and it is more difficult to recruit people to voluntary organizations such as running Rainbows or a few hours in a charity shop let alone a CBRN role. For the last 100 years we had a huge pool of ex service personnel to draw from, but they are now gone. Any comments out there.
Wishful thinking that the response will be mostly green - UK Resilience is always a Blue Light Lead and they manage their budgets and spends a lot better.

Under New Dimensions,
New Dimension programme - Wikipedia
FRS Detection, Identification & monitoring (DIM) teams were part of the buy.
They do most of the white powder letter responses.

I suspect they will be getting a lot more tackleberry stuff now.
 
Reported on Sky (no link yet), OPCW due to arrive on Monday.
 
Wishful thinking that the response will be mostly green - UK Resilience is always a Blue Light Lead and they manage their budgets and spends a lot better.

Under New Dimensions,
New Dimension programme - Wikipedia
FRS Detection, Identification & monitoring (DIM) teams were part of the buy.
They do most of the white powder letter responses.

I suspect they will be getting a lot more tackleberry stuff now.
Wishful thinking that the response will be mostly green - UK Resilience is always a Blue Light Lead and they manage their budgets and spends a lot better.

Under New Dimensions,
New Dimension programme - Wikipedia
FRS Detection, Identification & monitoring (DIM) teams were part of the buy.
They do most of the white powder letter responses.

I suspect they will be getting a lot more tackleberry stuff now.
OK for day to day and single incidents but we must now prepare for the possibility of multiple attacks? am sure our response at Salisbury is being carefully watched in a lot of places.
 
Wishful thinking that the response will be mostly green - UK Resilience is always a Blue Light Lead and they manage their budgets and spends a lot better.

Under New Dimensions,
New Dimension programme - Wikipedia
FRS Detection, Identification & monitoring (DIM) teams were part of the buy.
They do most of the white powder letter responses.

I suspect they will be getting a lot more tackleberry stuff now.
New Dimensions was one of the things that came out of 9/11 and the subsequent review of the Fire service(Bain) required to make it work generated a lot of angst leading to the 2002 strike - which led to the Army standing in.

The procurement wasnt brilliant either and it got roundly slated by the NAO in 2008 for being poorly managed and late. In 2015 much of it was axed. Very little of New Dimensions is applicable to this incident/Investigation.
 
It can happen that government ministers falsify reasons for wars. Before handing me a tinfoil chapeau, take a look at this letter written to the Times 12 days after the Salisbury attack by the consultant specialist in emergency medicine at the hospital, Stephen Davies.

He writes that NO patients had shown symptoms of nerve agent poisoning. This was after the prime minister had said the opposite. They cannot both be telling the truth.

His letter to the Times is here. It reads as follows.

***************************************
16 March 2018
Sir, Further to your report ("Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment",
Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent
poisoning in Salisbury
and there have only ever been three patients with significant
poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned
that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and
none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no
abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.
Stephen Davies
Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust
(emphasis added)
***************************************

And this is how the Times reported the letter - by selective quoting out of context:

***************************************
In a letter to The Times Dr Davies writes that no patients experienced symptoms
other than the three with "significant poisoning". "Several people have attended the
emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed," he adds.
"None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood
tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been
contaminated by the agent involved."
***************************************
 
Corbyn is weak and feeble, and if PM can easily be intimidated. Watch out for pro Lab manipulation at our next GE as with Trump last US Election.
Yes, I can see how he's been intimated out of sticking to principals and talking sense.

Meanwhile Wendoline is creaming her knickers over the staged photo opportunities in a Tory safe seat, to play out her strong and stable fantasy and Boris goes in to wibble overdrive with “There is something in the kind of smug, sarcastic response that we’ve heard that indicates their fundamental guilt. They want to simultaneously deny it, yet at the same time to glory in it.” - That's how you invoke justice and respect for the rule of law on the international stage, n'est-ce pas?

It's a win win, everyone get's to willy wave to their domestic supporters and still wallow in criminal Russian wealth in and around Belgravia.
 
Corbyn is weak and feeble, and if PM can easily be intimidated. Watch out for pro Lab manipulation at our next GE as with Trump last US Election.
But not Brexit eh? ;-)
 
May be you should advise your friends that we on arrse are particularly well informed and advised on the late GDR as the GDR's Official Fan Club President and only member, Comrade Bugsey is an arrser!
Nope, I've stopped biting. I cannot believe how uninformed they are, one asked me if I had ever served, when I asked if it made a difference, about 5 decided to flame me, I then asked if they had served and were they in receipt of a pension, all replied in the negative to the pension.

I told 'em I was and, to go and read a decent newspaper at least and, forget about 'Commando Library' sources of reference. :mrgreen:
 
Yes, I can see how he's been intimated out of sticking to principals and talking sense.

Meanwhile Wendoline is creaming her knickers over the staged photo opportunities in a Tory safe seat, to play out her strong and stable fantasy and Boris goes in to wibble overdrive with “There is something in the kind of smug, sarcastic response that we’ve heard that indicates their fundamental guilt. They want to simultaneously deny it, yet at the same time to glory in it.” - That's how you invoke justice and respect for the rule of law on the international stage, n'est-ce pas?

It's a win win, everyone get's to willy wave to their domestic supporters and still wallow in criminal Russian wealth in and around Belgravia.
Could be interesting to try and prove in a court of law that money is criminal. The oligarchs will buy some pretty sharp shyster lawyers who will run rings around anyone the CPS or any Government can put up. Win win for the lawyers.

Principals supporting Putin. Wonder what his reaction would have been if the attack was in a Labour inner city safe seat - Oh I forgot the Jooz and Mrs Thatcher.
 
It can happen that government ministers falsify reasons for wars. Before handing me a tinfoil chapeau, take a look at this letter written to the Times 12 days after the Salisbury attack by the consultant specialist in emergency medicine at the hospital, Stephen Davies.

He writes that NO patients had shown symptoms of nerve agent poisoning. This was after the prime minister had said the opposite. They cannot both be telling the truth.

His letter to the Times is here. It reads as follows.

***************************************
16 March 2018
Sir, Further to your report ("Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment",
Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent
poisoning in Salisbury
and there have only ever been three patients with significant
poisoning.
Several people have attended the emergency department concerned
that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and
none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no
abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.
Stephen Davies
Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust
(emphasis added)
***************************************

And this is how the Times reported the letter - by selective quoting out of context:

***************************************
In a letter to The Times Dr Davies writes that no patients experienced symptoms
other than the three with "significant poisoning". "Several people have attended the
emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed," he adds.
"None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood
tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been
contaminated by the agent involved."
***************************************
The quote was not out of context (I've just read and re-read both of your links to clarify). All that has been pointed out was the fact that three people had been poisoned (in red above) and nobody else had shown any symptoms of the poison.
 

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The quote was not out of context (I've just read and re-read both of your links to clarify). All that has been pointed out was the fact that three people had been poisoned (in red above) and nobody else had shown any symptoms of the poison.
Which makes me wonder about @Oliver3's motivation for that bit of selective disinformation.
 
It can happen that government ministers falsify reasons for wars. Before handing me a tinfoil chapeau, take a look at this letter written to the Times 12 days after the Salisbury attack by the consultant specialist in emergency medicine at the hospital, Stephen Davies.

He writes that NO patients had shown symptoms of nerve agent poisoning. This was after the prime minister had said the opposite. They cannot both be telling the truth.

His letter to the Times is here. It reads as follows.

***************************************
16 March 2018
Sir, Further to your report ("Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment",
Mar 14), may I clarify that no patients have experienced symptoms of nerve agent
poisoning in Salisbury
and there have only ever been three patients with significant
poisoning. Several people have attended the emergency department concerned
that they may have been exposed. None has had symptoms of poisoning and
none has needed treatment. Any blood tests performed have shown no
abnormality. No member of the public has been contaminated by the agent involved.
Stephen Davies
Consultant in emergency medicine, Salisbury NHS Foundation Trust
(emphasis added)
***************************************

And this is how the Times reported the letter - by selective quoting out of context:

***************************************
In a letter to The Times Dr Davies writes that no patients experienced symptoms
other than the three with "significant poisoning". "Several people have attended the
emergency department concerned that they may have been exposed," he adds.
"None has had symptoms of poisoning and none has needed treatment. Any blood
tests performed have shown no abnormality. No member of the public has been
contaminated by the agent involved."
***************************************
Stephen Davies's letter was badly drafted - he would have been understandably anxious to correct the impression given by an earlier Times headline “Poison exposure leaves almost 40 needing treatment” - or his letter may have been carelessly cut by the Times, which they reserve the right to do. All the same, it should be clear to anyone that "member of the public" in the letter referred to "member of the general public other than the apparent targets and a member of the emergency services". The Salisbury NHS Trust has been very clear in other statements that nerve agent poisoning is involved.
 
Further to posts on letter to The Times, just wonder what the long term implications will be? The attack has caused alarm and distress to a large part of the civpop of Salisbury, who were totally unprepared for this. Future PTSD cases and no doubt some PTSD will be claimed by military and civil responders in due course? The Salisbury syndrome? Have compo lawyers been sighted in the fair City yet?
 
Further to posts on letter to The Times, just wonder what the long term implications will be? The attack has caused alarm and distress to a large part of the civpop of Salisbury, who were totally unprepared for this. Future PTSD cases and no doubt some PTSD will be claimed by military and civil responders in due course? The Salisbury syndrome? Have compo lawyers been sighted in the fair City yet?
Reports on ‘alarm and distress’ to a large part of the population have been rather exagerated.

The majority of those willing to go on camera either aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer or are taking the piss.
As noted early on somewhere on Arrse, in the pre-internet days any newsworthy incident was led by ‘reliable’ media who got a couple of good interviews, followed by the cheap journalists taking interviews as squaddies rolled out of the naafi bar
Now they don’t need to bother and just draw off one dumb remark on a local Facebook, which then becomes ‘fact’ because the ‘media’ repeat it


There are people worried about the unknown, more scared of the conspiracy twists and turns, but most just getting on and trying to dodge the camera crews around town
 
Could be interesting to try and prove in a court of law that money is criminal. The oligarchs will buy some pretty sharp shyster lawyers who will run rings around anyone the CPS or any Government can put up. Win win for the lawyers.

Principals supporting Putin. Wonder what his reaction would have been if the attack was in a Labour inner city safe seat - Oh I forgot the Jooz and Mrs Thatcher.
I don't think they'd have to. Isn't the point of money laundering regs that it's up to the investor to show their dosh is legit? Jezza has a long history of upsetting politicos of all shades by speaking his mind, happy to consider an example if you have one.
 
I don't think they'd have to. Isn't the point of money laundering regs that it's up to the investor to show their dosh is legit? Jezza has a long history of upsetting politicos of all shades by speaking his mind, happy to consider an example if you have one.
Not qualified to talk about the technailities of international finance but cant see how you can prove that money brought in to be invested from overseas can be proved to be dodgey, OK in UK to prove money came from drugs, pimping or tax evasion but my little old grannie in Minsk had some gold bars in her cellar they hid during the revolution type thing. Or I picked up an oil well on the cheap in 1991.

As for speaking his mind, public bars are full of old boys with half a pint of mild and the Daily Mirror gobbing off how the world is wrong, against them and how they will fix it. Anyhow with todays breaking news on BBC respect McDonald the old boy might have some incomming problems PDQ.
 
Not qualified to talk about the technailities of international finance but cant see how you can prove that money brought in to be invested from overseas can be proved to be dodgey, OK in UK to prove money came from drugs, pimping or tax evasion but my little old grannie in Minsk had some gold bars in her cellar they hid during the revolution type thing. Or I picked up an oil well on the cheap in 1991.

As for speaking his mind, public bars are full of old boys with half a pint of mild and the Daily Mirror gobbing off how the world is wrong, against them and how they will fix it. Anyhow with todays breaking news on BBC respect McDonald the old boy might have some incomming problems PDQ.
Corbyns problem is, not only is he an old fart but, he brings nothing new to the table, he lives in the past and has selective memory. :confused:
 
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