Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'

Hundred (may be thousands) of Brits really die every year from the poisoning with C_2H_5(OH). But it is not "Chemical weapon" because it's definition:
"(a) Toxic chemicals and their precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention, as long as the types and quantities are consistent with such purposes;"

"9. "Purposes Not Prohibited Under this Convention" means:

(a) Industrial, agricultural, research, medical, pharmaceutical or other peaceful purposes;
(b) Protective purposes, namely those purposes directly related to protection against toxic chemicals and to protection against chemical weapons;
(c) Military purposes not connected with the use of chemical weapons and not dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare;
(d) Law enforcement including domestic riot control purposes."​
When you make whiskey in the peaceful purpouses - it is not "chemical weapons", independently of it's amounts.
Article II. Definitions and Criteria
I’m aware of what Article II 9 says. Now what is the exemption you claim for Novichok? Riot control? Agricultural? ‘Peaceful purposes’?

Why has OPCW asked state party’s to identify “...these new types of nerve agent”? Could it be Russia has failed to declare them and you’re both wriggling on a hook desperately looking for an exemption?
 
Who knows? At least - research, may be - agricultural, medical or something else.
And yes, we don't know what matter PD-crooks mean, talking about 'Novichok'.
OPCW have already confirmed the U.K. assessment. The reason they didn’t name it is obvious, even to the troll factory.
 
Sure. What substance was actually used - is classified. Nobody knows, what really PD-crooks and murders mean talking about 'Novichok'. Looks like, it is poison invented and produced in their labs.
Looks like it’s a chemical developed by the CCCP and not declared despite Russia signing the CWC, hence the request for information on “... these new type of nerve agents”
 
If you agree with my second statement then you have already answered your own question!
I'm not sure. Anyway it needs clarification.
All Schedule 1 chemicals produced must be declared, regardless of how much each individual facility produces as they all contribute to the aggregate amount a State Party may possess!
Let's regard an example. A state delares that aggregate amount of Schedule 1 chemicals is less than allowed by the treaty. Must the state also present a list with produced chemicals or not? Or only chemicals that were produced in amounts greater than 100gr should be listed?
E2A regarding "Novichok" agents that would depend on what exactly was produced as to whether a State Party "must" declare it. These are agents that were not declared and therefore used to circumvent the CWC, if they had been declared as they should have been on the initial declaration of the producing state then they would have, without doubt, been classified as Schedule 1 chemicals. That they were not declared is an extreme breach of the convention!
Let's return to my example with Novichok produced in Czech republic. Had Czech authorities to inform OPCW even if amount was less than 100gr?
Most State Parties are open about what they produce in their research labs even if it need not be declared technically! There are a couple of notable exceptions though!
There is a big difference between moral obligations and obligations according to the treaty. We regard only obligations mentioned in the treaty. Yes, some countries are more open, others are less open. But if they follow the treaty then it means that they don't vilate the treaty.
 

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OPCW have already confirmed the U.K. assessment. The reason they didn’t name it is obvious, even to the troll factory.
OPCW confirmed that poison what was found in the blood of Skripal is same, that was presented by PD-labs. They don't confirmed that it was "Russian-invented Novichok". Reason is obviouse - it was not any poison described by Mirzayanov, including ethyl N-[(1E)-1-(diethylamino)ethylidene]-phosphoramidofluoridate.
Highly likely, that it was something invented and produced by PD-labs.
But even if it really was something invented by Russians (it's highly unlikely, but possible) it means nothing, because there are no problem to produce it for any good lab, and sure, it was produced by every good military chemical lab, at least, to test gas-masks and anti-chemical suits.
 
OPCW confirmed that poison what was found in the blood of Skripal is same, that was presented by PD-labs.
Yep, that’s what I said. Both Skripal’s and DS Bailey and around Salisbury
They don't confirmed that it was "Russian-invented Novichok".
They confirmed the PD assesment.
Reason is obviouse - it was not any poison described by Mirzayanov, including ethyl N-[(1E)-1-(diethylamino)ethylidene]-phosphoramidofluoridate.
Wrong. PD assesment confirmed.
Highly likely, that it was something invented and produced by PD-labs.
‘Highly likely’ undeclared Russian “... new nerve agent”
But even if it really was something invented by Russians (it's highly unlikely, but possible) it means nothing, because there are no problem to produce it for any good lab, and sure, it was produced by every good military chemical lab,
And not declared, hence the OPCW letter
...at least, to test gas-masks and anti-christians suits.
What’s an ‘anti-christians’ suit? Your tiara slipping?
 
OPCW confirmed that poison what was found in the blood of Skripal is same, that was presented by PD-labs. They don't confirmed that it was "Russian-invented Novichok". Reason is obviouse - it was not any poison described by Mirzayanov, including ethyl N-[(1E)-1-(diethylamino)ethylidene]-phosphoramidofluoridate.
Highly likely, that it was something invented and produced by PD-lab....
Nope. As well as confirming the UK identification, the OPCW public statement about the Salisbury incident also says that "The name and structure of the identified toxic chemical are contained in the full classified report of the Secretariat, available to States Parties." My bold.
 
.........so the bots have moved on from 'it's nothing to do with Russia' to 'it's not a chemical weapon' which is in itself an admission of guilt, no-one quibbles about whether a chemical weapon is a chemical weapon in the strictest sense of the law unless they've got some sticky residue on their hands that they're embarrassed about and are in denial....

And as the change of direction must have been mandated from the top, this must be the first official admission of Russian guilt.........thanks guys
 

Grey Fox

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Looks like it’s a chemical developed by the CCCP and not declared despite Russia signing the CWC, hence the request for information on “... these new type of nerve agents”
Ha! There are near 125 millions of matters, written in the Chemical Abstract Services Registry, and every day are added near 15000 of them. Most of them can be not very good for the human health. Nobody must inform OPCW about them, until he is going to use it as a chemical weapon.
 

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.........so the bots have moved on from 'it's nothing to do with Russia' to 'it's not a chemical weapon' which is in itself an admission of guilt, no-one quibbles about whether a chemical weapon is a chemical weapon in the strictest sense of the law unless they've got some sticky residue on their hands that they're embarrassed about and are in denial....
Sure there is nothing about Russia, especially with usage of Occam's Razor and healthy logic. Here is just a talk about definitions.
 
Who proved that ethyl N-[(1E)-1-(diethylamino)ethylidene]-phosphoramidofluoridate is more toxic than C_2H5(OH)? No one member or OPCW did declared it as a 'highly toxic' or something.
Oh please.
 
I asked @Fuchs66
Let's return to my example with Novichok produced in Czech republic. Had Czech authorities to inform OPCW even if amount was less than 100gr?
No. Even if amount of 'Novichok' (whatever they mean) was more that 100g, it is not in the Schedules 1 and 2.
Let's wait for learned opinion of @Fuchs66 because he is an expert.
 

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