Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'

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Grey Fox

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SO, BASICALLY YOU WERE TELLING LIES.
No, basically it is you are telling lies about your call in embassy.

It's interesting that you see May's government as more powerful than Putin, and that Britain can force Russia to do something!
May's regime, comparing with Putin, is as strong as Assad's government comparing with Trump. If Assad was able to force Trump to bomb Barzah Scientific Research Facility, May can force Putin to bomb Porton-Down.
 
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For anyone else who cant be arsed to argue with Grey Fox and and would prefer to hear from the horses mouth about Grey Fox's claims and assertions about Britain this is the appropriate email at the Russian Embassy in London.

It may or may not surprise you that they have a different view to him!
Email to:
bilateralrelations@rusemb.org.uk

Be sure to mention his name, so as to distingiush him from KGB resident or 118 118 etc.
 
Russian official said nothing about it. It was desinformant Mirzayanov, who said about this program, and Yanks and Brits media just imagine all other.


It was not 'information', it was 'desinformation'. Real information you can get only in your own labs.

There was no significant convulsions demonstrated by the any victim, and convulsions is the important symptom of any NA-poisoning.
Again, you are making things up.
Your own posts in this thread show you don't know the condition of any victims, or the treatement they received.

Please don't try to pretend that one witness you heard (with zero medical training) counts as evidence.
 
And another strange turn of events since this magic bottle turned up-

Plod,MSM and uk.gov appear not to be exploring whether Charlie Rowley - in possession of a bottle of Nerve Agent - is a suspect for the manslaughter of Dawn Sturgess and attempted murder of the Skripals and the 2 coppers.
Odd that.
 

Grey Fox

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Again, you are making things up.
Your own posts in this thread show you don't know the condition of any victims, or the treatement they received.

Please don't try to pretend that one witness you heard (with zero medical training) counts as evidence.
First - generalisated convulcies is not the thing, that even layman can not to recognise. Second, there were Ambulance medics, who were thinking not about epylepsia, but about heroin-overdosing.
 

chrisg46

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And another strange turn of events since this magic bottle turned up-

Plod,MSM and uk.gov appear not to be exploring whether Charlie Rowley - in possession of a bottle of Nerve Agent - is a suspect for the manslaughter of Dawn Sturgess and attempted murder of the Skripals and the 2 coppers.
Odd that.
And you know this how...?
 
And you know this how...?
Be quiet and answer which A 234 we're talking about first.

30 secs- 2 mins?
4 hrs?
12-24hrs?
Or the one that OPCW and DSTL said?
NB OPCW/DSTL have never given any clarification as to time.
That would have been our friends at MSM.

As per our song-bird:

'Mr Rowley, 45, has said that he and Ms Sturgess, 44, came into contact with the novichok when they picked up a discarded perfume bottle.'
Where is evidence in novichok cases, asks Vladimir Putin

Do you think he's being treated as hostile or not?
Explain why you have come to whichever conclusion.
 
@184461.Had a look through your recent posts. The only relevant one is the investigation bit re; Mr. Rowley.

Not investigating does not mean haven't investigated. It would be a quite simple thing to trace movements and contacts of Mr. Rowley at relevant times in regard of:

1] The Skripal incident.
2] The incident with the deceased.

I could do it in one day as it is unlikely that Mr. Rowley covers his tracks. Also and in my experience such as it is, there would be some assistance from the criminal groups locally if for no other reason than to prevent plod opening multiple cans of worms which they are wont to do even in simple murders.

At that point and assuming everything is clear, such investigations would be placed on a back burner. There would be a place on the board still for such a scenario but would remain inactive unless other evidence came to light.

As you throw accusations around of corruption, please consider that such accusations may be untrue and are just words without substance.
 

chrisg46

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Be quiet and answer which A 234 we're talking about first.

30 secs- 2 mins?
4 hrs?
12-24hrs?
Or the one that OPCW and DSTL said?
NB OPCW/DSTL have never given any clarification as to time.
That would have been our friends at MSM.

As per our song-bird:

'Mr Rowley, 45, has said that he and Ms Sturgess, 44, came into contact with the novichok when they picked up a discarded perfume bottle.'
Where is evidence in novichok cases, asks Vladimir Putin

Do you think he's being treated as hostile or not?
Explain why you have come to whichever conclusion.
For someone always compaining about deflection, that is quite breathtaking. How do you know they are not, or have not been investigating Rowley?
 
First - generalisated convulcies is not the thing, that even layman can not to recognise. Second, there were Ambulance medics, who were thinking not about epylepsia, but about heroin-overdosing.
You are telling lies again!
Let's look at your post.
You are a layman and are saying layman couldn't recognise the issue........
Yet you are saying you can, despite being a layman (your lack of knowledge backs that up)

The medical care of the victims hasn't been released, so you CAN'T know it, yet are pretending you do.

The only fact about the care of any of the victims was that BEFORE any medical treatment of any of the victims it was suspected that the drug 'spice' may have been involved in the initial poisoning.
Heroin was never considered, that's just you telling lies again.

Just like your government who gave lied about this whole affair from the start you can't seem to stop yourself telling lies either.

If you really wanted to debate what has happened in this case you could concentrate on what has happened in Russia.
Why not talk about the interviews happening in Russia over the last ten days that involved one or more Russians and discussions about fingerprints or DNA :)
 
At that point and assuming everything is clear, such investigations would be placed on a back burner. There would be a place on the board still for such a scenario but would remain inactive unless other evidence came to light.
He's not a suspect.
It's only ever been Russia since farce mkii kicked off.

He's very on-side and making all the right noises:

'Novichok poisoning victim Charlie Rowley's first words when he woke from a coma were 'They killed my girlfriend, They killed my girlfriend!' '

After just regaining consciousness this is the 1st thing he says?

''He was semi-woken and said, 'They killed my girlfriend, they killed my girlfriend.' He was very angry and crying'

How did he already know what had taken place?
Who's they?
This is such a fabrication...the official-line as sold through MSM again.

It would be a quite simple thing to trace movements and contacts of Mr. Rowley at relevant times in regard of:

1] The Skripal incident.
2] The incident with the deceased.
How?
Using the new, sooper-dooper CCTV system in Salisbury that so far has unveiled nothing....except a couple of days ago......Success!

Police 'have grainy CCTV pictures' of the suspected Novichok poisoners who killed Dawn Sturgess and they are thought to work for Russian military spy agency which once employed Sergei Skripal
Police 'have grainy CCTV pictures of suspected Novichok poisoners' | Daily Mail Online
 
And another strange turn of events since this magic bottle turned up-

Plod,MSM and uk.gov appear not to be exploring whether Charlie Rowley - in possession of a bottle of Nerve Agent - is a suspect for the manslaughter of Dawn Sturgess and attempted murder of the Skripals and the 2 coppers.
Odd that.
Ohh.. do tell how a penniless substance abuser somehow obtained the precursors, manufactured military grade Russian nerve agent, then found out about a retired Russian spy living in the next town, and attempted to poison him presumably as an alibi for the attempted domestic killing of his girlfriend, in which he manages to poison himself?

That is probably why the police aren't looking to investigate him.
It requires a skill set, funding,equipment, and knowledge he simply doesn't have.

It is arrant absurdity, and curiously spiteful and malicious too.
Very Russian in fact, to blame the victims for their misfortune.
 
How?
Using the new, sooper-dooper CCTV system in Salisbury that so far has unveiled nothing....except a couple of days ago......Success!
Detectives detect stuff. It involves interacting with people , usually by speaking to them. In this type of case, face to face. I am pointing out how this person would be eliminated from the enquiry. Strangely, there were times when computers and CCTV were absent. Even stranger, detectives still seemed to be able to eliminate people from enquiries. I really don,t know how they did it.

Instead of going half cock all the time, why don't you start to listen to people who know?
 
There you go again.

Do you still believe that the most potent nerve agent known to man was used here?

Nobody dead.
Out of 6 test-cases there was only ever one fatality.
That fatality was an alcoholic heroin addict that had been in/out of hospital like a yo-yo for booze/drugs anyway.

Not even the other H addict popped his clogs through this deadly toxin.

The Skripals went down with some psychoactive incapacitating agent.
Not deadly nerve agent in a gel form.
Or they would be dead.

The two coppers, Bailey and anonymous, also didn't croak.
One was a bit ill for a few days the other faded into complete obscurity very quickly.
No deadly nerve toxin here, they're both still breathing.

Dawn and Charlie?
Bad Class A's- bad stuff in the AOR and they came across it.
I've posted the link to the Salisbury Rag's story ref fentanyl-based H in the South West.
It's a while back.

Dawn died and Charlie survived even after coming up against the deadliest NA ever.
Dawn's body had been running-on-empty for years and this bad H was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Oh boy, you are one special kind of idiot to keep coming back to this.

Your wilful desire to keep coming back to and repeating an assertion that has been so firmly and comprehensively debunked does makes you come over as particularly moronic, even by the standards of other trolls/conspiracy theorists.

Or brain damaged, perhaps.

To clarify in terms you may understand, your argument (or lack of) runs something like this:

184461 – ‘The moon’s made of cheese.’

Rational ARRSE forum members – ‘No, it isn’t.’

184461 – ‘But it looks like cheese and if I ate it, it would taste like cheese.’

Rational ARRSE forum members – ‘Eh? I don’t know what you have been eating, but you are aware that people have been to the moon, right?’

184461 – ‘Doesn’t prove a thing. Everyone knows that it was faked by the U.S. to hide the fact that it’s made of cheese.’

Rational ARRSE forum members – ‘Rocks from the moon have been brought back. They’re totally not cheese, you know.’

184461 – ‘They’re fake. Lots of people have been paid to hide the secret.’

Rational ARRSE forum members – ‘Look, I’ve worked with those who worked on the moon project and they have a lot of data proving it’s not made of cheese!’

184461 – ‘It’s all fake and they’ve all been paid to keep quiet and you’re a fool to lap it up. Can’t you see?’

Rational ARRSE members – ‘I can see you’re not all there. The moon is palpably not made of cheese.’

184461 – ‘Prove it. You can’t can you? That’s because it’s obviously made of cheese.’

Rational ARRSE members – ‘Erm, it has been proven by quite a few people, on different occasions, in different places around the world.’

You then move onto a couple of newspaper cuttings you’ve found that have the moon in a different part of the sky, thereby ‘proving’ that the moon is itself fake.

Aaaand then a couple of days later…..

184461 – ‘The moon’s made of cheese. Why can’t you see?’

Sane ARRSE members – ‘Take a pill and feck off, you moron’.

You get the picture?
 
Is someone suggesting that the moon is not made of cheese?

Bloody hell you live and learn.

Anyway. Back to the subject.

The Russians did it.

Not the ordinary, hard working people of Russia, but the corrupt and odious Russian authority shadows that like to keep the ordinary hard working people just where they want them.

Pick a side trolls.
 
We'll see. I mean, Russian ambassador can be sure, that Putin don't want to bomb Porton-Down, but May's regime will force him to bomb Porton-Down (and not only it).
I get you now.
You are saying Putin and the Russian embassy staff are stupid, and May will get them to bomb even though they don't want to (in which case May must be more powerful, or more intelligent).

You must be saying they are stupid, or you would understand that Russia wouldn't bomb anyone unless they wanted to.

I do feel a bit sorry for you. Because you are Russian and Putin is Russian and your posts indicate at least one of you is usually telling lies, so you have the dilemna of deciding to say which Russian is telling lies.
 
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