Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'

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Ah but, the illuminati are not bound by any law. Everyone knows that.
Good point, bugger!

On the bright side they could all have an early death from cancer. They must have a regular turn over of members.

Which then leads to the question, how do you become one and what's the interview like. In this modern world I would think that having to be in smoke filled rooms would discourage many from applying.
 
Good point, bugger!

On the bright side they could all have an early death from cancer. They must have a regular turn over of members.

Which then leads to the question, how do you become one and what's the interview like. In this modern world I would think that having to be in smoke filled rooms would discourage many from applying.
But look at the advantages , you'd be in the clique that rules the universe. What's a bit of a cough now and then.
 
At Site of U.K. Poisoning, Doubts About Case Creep In
Three and a half months later, Ms. Carey, 45, a resident of Salisbury, England, where the attack on the former Russian spy occurred, has come to a firm conclusion: Russia’s president, Vladimir V. Putin, whom Britain holds responsible for the poisoning, would never have ordered an assassination on the eve of a national election or the World Cup.
Mr. Putin is “not a silly man,” she says. If he wants someone dead, she added, they end up dead. “Someone stitched him up,” she wrote recently. “Whoever did this made it look like Putin did it.”

Though Ms. Carey’s opinion is not a common one in Salisbury, she’s not alone, either.
But why many don't trust blindly the official version?
In the weeks that followed, though, Britain’s control over the narrative slipped away.

As the British authorities went silent on the progress of their investigation, English-language Russian outlets flooded social media with more than a dozen alternative theories
“It’s really peculiar the Russian government is going out and saying all this stuff, and, generally speaking, there is no response from the British government,” said Matthew Dean, the leader of Salisbury’s City Council...
By why HMG does keeps silence? There is only one explanation - there are no facts at hands. There is nothing to say. There are too many unanswered questions.
Though the vast majority of people in Salisbury say they are satisfied with Britain’s explanation, Mr. Dean said, there are also “huge numbers of people who say, ‘My goodness, there are a lot of unanswered questions.’ ”
There are too many unexplained details. Where is DS Nick Bailey?
Many express bafflement about the condition and whereabouts of Detective Sgt. Nick Bailey, who was exposed to the nerve agent while trying to help the Skripals. Mr. Bailey has remained out of sight since he was released from a two-and-a-half-week hospitalization in late March.
It looks strange.
Analysts say it is nearly impossible to measure the effect of Russia’s campaign to discredit the British explanation in the case. Britons’ trust in their institutions is already declining, in some cases as a result of other events
So it looks as The New-York Times is paying tune according to Moscow's notes.
Ms. Carey says that she is a “little person,” suspicious of the government on many issues, and that she has never once looked at a Kremlin-produced news outlet.
Her skepticism is shared by many of Salisbury’s cabdrivers, many of whom are immigrants from Eastern Europe and South Asia. Boris Kanev, a Bulgarian, said he had become convinced of the Russian case during a visit home in April, when he watched Russian-language television coverage.
When he returned home, he said, he found many in Salisbury who shared his doubts

“The English people believe it’s the Russians,” he said, but “all those other British people, the Scottish, the Irish, the Welsh,” were more skeptical. “To be honest with you, they don’t trust England,” he said.
 
At Site of U.K. Poisoning, Doubts About Case Creep In


But why many don't trust blindly the official version?


By why HMG does keeps silence? There is only one explanation - there are no facts at hands. There is nothing to say. There are too many unanswered questions.

There are too many unexplained details. Where is DS Nick Bailey?

It looks strange.

So it looks as The New-York Times is paying tune according to Moscow's notes.
You need to read the thread. Your ‘lying walting conspiraloon’ friend posted this two pages back #4851. All discussed
 
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chrisg46

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You could of course quote more of the story

Just as it did after the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner in eastern Ukraine in 2014, the Kremlin targeted aggrieved social groups — not difficult to find in the years since the 2008 financial crisis — and capitalized on the disciplined silence of the Western investigators, filling the vacuum with alternative theories.
Do you discuss this with that team in the canteen?
 
By why HMG does keeps silence? There is only one explanation - there are no facts at hands. There is nothing to say. There are too many unanswered questions.

There are too many unexplained details. Where is DS Nick Bailey?

It looks strange.

So it looks as The New-York Times is paying tune according to Moscow's notes.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps you will answer my question as your colleague @184461 seems very reticent and you can probably answer just as well. Having worked in the corporate sector and government sector I am intrigued by varying conditions and standards;,

Do you have to bring in your own coffee or do you have vending machines and if so are they free or do you have to pay?

Do you have to write weekly or monthly reports on your activities?


I hope you can clarify this little query for me,
 
You could of course quote more of the story
Do you discuss this with that team in the canteen?
But why DS10 has forgotten about 'aggrieved social groups'? Does it mean that ordinary people and HMG along with upper classes that it serves to do live in different worlds?
In Russia it is true. Ordinary Russians and oligarchs along with their servants (including corrupted government) live in different universes
 

chrisg46

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Every society has aggrieved social groups. Always has, always will. You are going on the assumptipon that the vocal aggrieved social groups speak for the majority of "ordinary people". They dont. As the article quoted by yourself and 118118 says, the majority hold Russia responsible as does the government.
 
Do you have to bring in your own coffee or do you have vending machines and if so are they free or do you have to pay?
I work in engineering firm in Moscow and we have 2 coffee machines in our kitchen. There is also cooler, kettle. Coffee beans, tea, sugar are being supplied by our firm.
Do you have to write weekly or monthly reports on your activities?
Our managers who sell Israeli measuring equipment (including produced in Russia under license agreement) have to make monthly reports and they get bonuses at the end of the year.
As a technical specialist I consult our customers and don't have to present any reports to superiors.
Btw, now I'm not on the work place but in my dacha - small brick house 50 km. from Moscow.
 
I work in engineering firm in Moscow and we have 2 coffee machines in our kitchen. There is also cooler, kettle. Coffee beans, tea, sugar are being supplied by our firm.

Our managers who sell Israeli measuring equipment (including produced in Russia under license agreement) have to make monthly reports and they get bonuses at the end of the year.
As a technical specialist I consult our customers and don't have to present any reports to superiors.
Btw, now I'm not on the work place but in my dacha - small brick house 50 km. from Moscow.
Thank you for a most illuminating insight. Why are you a member and posting on this site?
 
Every society has aggrieved social groups. Always has, always will. You are going on the assumptipon that the vocal aggrieved social groups speak for the majority of "ordinary people". They dont. As the article quoted by yourself and 118118 says, the majority hold Russia responsible as does the government.
The majority could be fooled, manipulated, brainwashed. Anyway in the case with the Skripals it is not overwhelming majority.
Even without Putin's agitprop outlets some came to a conclusion that the version promoted by DS10 is softly speaking doubtful.
 
The majority could be fooled, manipulated, brainwashed. Anyway in the case with the Skripals it is not overwhelming majority.
Even without Putin's agitprop outlets some came to a conclusion that the version promoted by DS10 is softly speaking doubtful.
Thank you for a most illuminating insight. Why are you a member and posting on this site?
 
The majority could be fooled, manipulated, brainwashed. Anyway in the case with the Skripals it is not overwhelming majority.
Even without Putin's agitprop outlets some came to a conclusion that the version promoted by DS10 is softly speaking doubtful.
Yeah, some unknown entity or persons decided to use a NA produced in Russia to poison the Skripals for reasons unknown.

Utter cobblers.
 
The majority could be fooled, manipulated, brainwashed. Anyway in the case with the Skripals it is not overwhelming majority.
Even without Putin's agitprop outlets some came to a conclusion that the version promoted by DS10 is softly speaking doubtful.
But believed by 23 countries, based on the evidence they were provided. It’s an ongoing criminal investigation. They take time in the West unlike Russia who seems to just round up a couple of Chechens.
 
Thank you for a most illuminating insight. Why are you a member and posting on this site?
It happened many years ago. After occupation of Iraq US/UK tried to form puppet government. Some influential figures were summoned to Baghdad for 'consultations'. A rich sheikh from the South was transported using RAF helicopter. But just after his departure his home was raided by the British and big money in cash vanished.
My the first post on ARRSE (as many others) was humorous. I pretending to be Russian agent wrote that the British officer who got the money is known to Russian intelligence. And his new friends will help him to be a general.
Of course my post was deleted but step by step I began to post, to participate and thoughtful discussions with nice intelligent opponents.
 
The majority could be fooled, manipulated, brainwashed. Anyway in the case with the Skripals it is not overwhelming majority.
Even without Putin's agitprop outlets some came to a conclusion that the version promoted by DS10 is softly speaking doubtful.
You’re talking about the majority of your Russian gopniks being fooled, manipulated and brainwashed aren’t you. Did we mention before that you’re a lying Cnut?
 
It happened many years ago. After occupation of Iraq US/UK tried to form puppet government. Some influential figures were summoned to Baghdad for 'consultations'. A rich sheikh from the South was transported using RAF helicopter. But just after his departure his home was raided by the British and big money in cash vanished.
My the first post on ARRSE (as many others) was humorous. I pretending to be Russian agent wrote that the British officer who got the money is known to Russian intelligence. And his new friends will help him to be a general.
Of course my post was deleted but step by step I began to post, to participate and thoughtful discussions with nice intelligent opponents.
I see, you, you joined a British website pretending to be a Russian agent to accuse the British of taking money from a sheikh. Thank goodness it wasn't a Russian helicopter, the sheikh may have fallen out of it on the way eh!
 
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But believed by 23 countries, based on the evidence they were provided. It’s an ongoing criminal investigation. They take time in the West unlike Russia who seems to just round up a couple of Chechens.
Billions believe that God exists and I respect their views. But does this huge number prove anything?
 
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