Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'

Just to add I'm not saying medical records should be released to the public but it's in the public interest to know what effect exposure to the chemicals involved are having or likely to have longer term. IMHO obiously.
 
Erm...let me think about that one, erm......maybe the areas in the centre that have been cordoned off to the public??
So, now you have thought about it, you are saying the areas cordoned off so the public can't go there or potentially become contaminated are the areas you think the potential contamination is in!

Sorry, I had assumed you weren't referring to people stupid enough to go out of there way to enter cordoned off and police patrolled areas to deliberately try to risk contamination with NA.

Perhaps Salisbury will be lucky and that kind of person will instead be entering a firing range when the red flags are up, or jumping into a quarry just before an explosive detonation to loosen rock ;)
 
Just to add I'm not saying medical records should be released to the public but it's in the public interest to know what effect exposure to the chemicals involved are having or likely to have longer term. IMHO obiously.
I think it’s up to them personally. Can’t say I’d want to be in the public glare and people querying my compus mentis, particularly if I have to give evidence at a future criminal prosecution. Especially bearing in mind two are in direct fear of their lives.
 
So, now you have thought about it, you are saying the areas cordoned off so the public can't go there or potentially become contaminated are the areas you think the potential contamination is in!

Sorry, I had assumed you weren't referring to people stupid enough to go out of there way to enter cordoned off and police patrolled areas to deliberately try to risk contamination with NA.

Perhaps Salisbury will be lucky and that kind of person will instead be entering a firing range when the red flags are up, or jumping into a quarry just before an explosive detonation to loosen rock ;)
He does have a point, a clever local chap had a little ruckus with the police after he had a few sherbets and wanted to pop across the cordon
Either that or a drunken chav cock
 
Don't be daft man, there's no paranoia, nothing to do with a diet of anything, some of my colleagues are Russians in St Petersburg FFS.

One on hand you want to call the unknown false accusations and on the other the unknown remains the unknown. Make up your mind.

We don't release int for good reasons, be it to protect a source, which could be as simple as a phone that's bugged or it could be a human source. Doesn't matter, Vlad's twitching.

This isn't a court of law, this is a very public and political marker to say "behave yourself" and no matter how much they squeal they know that they're on notice. You may not like it, neither does Vlad, I CGAF.
The government have been raising anti - Russian nonsense for ages and for many ex-servicemen the cold war never ended. Jumping to anti-Russian conclusions is like a hair trigger for them having been conditioned with propaganda for decades. Denial of paranoia is par for the course.

Accusations have been false. Russia are not the only people capable of producing novichok, this we know. The unknowns include who, how and why?... These unknowns will remain unknown in the absence of proper evidence.

I have not made up my mind and that is probably a good thing. But the way this incident has been handled then smothered looks very suspicious. It stinks of hypocrisy and western collusion by secret services for no other reason than to weaken growing Russian popularity.
 
The government have been raising anti - Russian nonsense for ages and for many ex-servicemen the cold war never ended. Jumping to anti-Russian conclusions is like a hair trigger for them having been conditioned with propaganda for decades. Denial of paranoia is par for the course.
Anti-Russian nonsense? From the person who quotes agitprop? Classic.

Anybody with more than two brain cells to rub together can see that under Vlad and his hybrid warfare, Russia is a destabilising influence internationally and not just his ‘near abroad’. His agitprop for starters is believed by ‘useful idiots’ and conspiraloons.

You don’t believe the facts ‘follow’ but Georgia was a wake up call and Ukraine/Crimea a clear indicator of his intentions.

Accusations have been false.
What makes you so sure it’s not Russia?
Russia are not the only people capable of producing novichok, this we know.
You do know the difference between originated and produced?
The unknowns include who, how and why?... These unknowns will remain unknown in the absence of proper evidence.
You do know there is a criminal investigation?
I have not made up my mind and that is probably a good thing.
But you’re certain it’s not Russia?
But the way this incident has been handled then smothered looks very suspicious.
Somothered? You mean investigated to ensure evidence is protected. A criminal case is ongoing.
It stinks of hypocrisy and western collusion by secret services for no other reason than to weaken growing Russian popularity.
:) you haven’t made your mind up? Yet you’ll say ‘the accusations are false’ and imply it’s western secret services?

Does the word hypocrite appear in your vocabulary?
 
The government have been raising anti - Russian nonsense for ages and for many ex-servicemen the cold war never ended. Jumping to anti-Russian conclusions is like a hair trigger for them having been conditioned with propaganda for decades. Denial of paranoia is par for the course.

Accusations have been false. Russia are not the only people capable of producing novichok, this we know. The unknowns include who, how and why?... These unknowns will remain unknown in the absence of proper evidence.

I have not made up my mind and that is probably a good thing. But the way this incident has been handled then smothered looks very suspicious. It stinks of hypocrisy and western collusion by secret services for no other reason than to weaken growing Russian popularity.
Being in BAOR facing GSFG with the very real expectation that they may push west at any time was just anti Russian propaganda? Makes you wonder why we wasted all that time & money.
Russian lies from the past (yet again). Chernobyl, KAL 007, The Kursk, Crimea, MH 17 & so on. Is it any surprise that there is distrust of Russia? Why should Russia be believed this time?
Other countries have produced Novichok in small quantities for testing purposes to research treatments, probably in case Russia attempted to murder one of their citizens.
While it may be unknown who else could have wanted to kill Skripal, surely you must have an opinion as to who else was responsible?
184461 & KGB wouldn't give an opinion because there was no evidence, circumstantial or otherwise that anyone else was responsible for the attempted murder of a former Russian spy using a Russian developed CW after Putin had said death to traitors.
Russian popularity? They are probably the least popular developed nation in the world. No, a country run by criminals for the benefit of criminals. Putin's net worth is estimated at anywhere between $70 to $90 billion. Money that he has stolen from the state. His mates have also done rather well, mainly from Putin jailing business men & then stealing their companies.
My apologies if there are too many facts that don't suit yet another posters pro Russian views.
 
I look forward to hearing the Skripals in an open Q&A interview...secure or not. This is a basic procedure following any incident involving criminal activity with high stakes. Litvinenko was on camera and his wife was able to confirm our worst suspicions. This is very different and a smoke screen has been put in place to cover up the truth in my opinion.
 
I look forward to hearing the Skripals in an open Q&A interview...secure or not. This is a basic procedure following any incident involving criminal activity with high stakes. Litvinenko was on camera and his wife was able to confirm our worst suspicions. This is very different and a smoke screen has been put in place to cover up the truth in my opinion.
You really are scraping the barrel. There’s an ongoing criminal investigation. Their interviews and statements are being used to help build the case.

Frankly, if the Skripal’s want to do an interview, it would be a matter for them. However, I would caution them in doing so as would only fuel the conspiraloon and agitprop fire with no benefit to themselves. After the criminal investigation, maybe. But I’d make sure the security at such an event was pretty good for obvious reasons
 
Perhaps the best way to reach a conclusion is to examine the background, history, evidence and simply listen to all sides involved. Otherwise you are a victim of two dimensional thinking. Unbiased reasoning is missing from the topic, an indication of manipulation, media control and brainwashing. It is ridiculous to suggest that the West do not use the tools of propaganda. There are 'deep state' operations in progress all over the world, clear to any observer.

Don't be fooled by your own government...as the population of North Korea have yet to discover.
 
Pigeon shouting again?
Perhaps the best way to reach a conclusion is to examine the background, history, evidence and simply listen to all sides involved.
But you said the facts 'don't follow'
Otherwise you are a victim of two dimensional thinking. Unbiased reasoning is missing from the topic, an indication of manipulation, media control and brainwashing.
Classic, from the person who quotes agitprop.
It is ridiculous to suggest that the West do not use the tools of propaganda. There are 'deep state' operations in progress all over the world, clear to any observer.
You do realise 'Deep State' is a tv programme? James Bond doesn't exist in real life either.
Don't be fooled by your own government...
But believe what the agitprop says? Classic.
...as the population of North Korea have yet to discover.
I thought Russia liked the DPRK? Don't tell me you're going off message.

Funnily enough, 118118 gets banned and you post more messages in two days than in the previous weeks. Has he sent you some 'full of rage and frustration, tears dripping over the keyboard' PMs?
 
Are you for real? That's rather a biased (being generous) article:
Germany was stopped twice in the 1900s in World War I and most importantly in World War II.
Russia surrendered to Germany in WW1.
The Middle East was disbanded and is still kept under the pro-Western dictators (the "good" dictatorships, unlike the "evil", who wanted to nationalize the oil), because they are "cursed" to have oil in their countries.
WT actual F? Is he for real? You'll have to remind us what happened in those countries during the arab spring.
Each time, Russia / Soviet Union has destroyed the West's plans
Damn! 'If it hadn't been for those pesky kids, I would've gotten away with it' wibble.
Unfortunately, the Soviet Union was betrayed from within, instead of getting democratization and renewal,
Sounds rather 'national socialist'
...supported the continued liberation of South-America from USA influence
Venezuela is such a paragon of virtue and democracy :rolleyes:
.....has liberated Abkhazia and South-Ossetia
A bit more 'lebensraum'
..has prevented direct attacks on Iran and Syria
Really? When was this written? After the TLAM strikes from a year ago.:rolleyes:
Now he must lead the Ukraine/Novorossia crisis to a successful conclusion with either a neutral, federal, pro-Russian Ukraine with equal rights for Russian-speakers, or a free Novorossia including all the land east of the Dniepr River and Transniestria as a result.
Irrespective of what the people of Ukraine and Moldova want ..............
So the fact that the West staged and directed the Nazi / fascist coup in Kiev should not really surprise anyone. That is why the mass media in the West are so full of lies for their own peoples - the truth must be hidden at all costs.
Classic agitprop. 'It was Nazi's' that led to Yanukovich running away.
But the West's plans begin to crack: Russia will not (can not, for internal reasons) abandon the Donbass or Novorossia - there is no choice because if Russia loses this battle the next battle will be fought on Russian territory. Russia will enforce either a regime change and the federalization of the whole of Ukraine or a free Novorossia including all the land east of the Dnieper.
Russia needs more 'lebensraum'
...Afghanistan know where the threat to peace and security comes from (and it's not from Russia).
Despite Russia supplying the Taliban
...uncover the coup-makers in Kiev for what they really are: a mixture of Nazis, fascists and extremists, appointed by US economic and geopolitical interests.
Nazi's again.:rolleyes:
The more western media and western governments scold Russia, the more it means that Russia is right and does right.
Russia trebleplusgood.
Does anyone doubt that the western governments hate Russia? Let me give two more examples: Of 365 days of the year the EU chose May 9th to celebrate as "Day of Europe"! Why? To dilute and diminish the role of the CCCP/Russia in the second World War of course, to make people forget - well, we will NOT forget!
Lets forget about the allied war effort on multiple front in the atlantic, in Europe , in N Africa, in the Arctic, in the Middle East, in the far east, in the PTO etc. It's all about Russia ........ 9th May is the day after VE Day.
Also, recently before the Rio Olympics the west (through their control of the WADA anti-doping agency) banned all Russian track and field athletes from participation on alleged - NOT proven - accusations of doping
The West controls WADA? Russia has admitted the doping, just not the state sponsored bit.
Yes, Russia is different, she refuses to establish herself under the "new world order" and she gains more and more supporters.
New World Order? I wondered when that was coming out :rolleyes:
....and her newborn child: Novorossia
Poor old Boxer. Four legs good, two legs better.

You quote agitprop and this easily de constructed drivel? Yet you try and say your mind is not made up? Seek help higgsy, seek help.

Try reading one of their other articles with your blinkers off: Principles and Strategy of the coming war
 
He does have a point, a clever local chap had a little ruckus with the police after he had a few sherbets and wanted to pop across the cordon
Either that or a drunken chav cock
But that same point applies to all towns, factories or areas that people can deliberately do themselves harm.
The difference being that the people who try to jump from bridges onto a motorway etc will do themselves harm, but the main sources of contamination in the cordoned areas in Salisbury have been removed to a safe place.
The area has been rained on several times, and (as you will be aware) the cordoned area is now being 'spot tested' and having areas or specific items removed to see what if any contamination exists.

I also have no interest in yet another poster suddenly deciding that patient confidentiality should be ignored, and that hospitals and NHS trusts should break their own rules at the say so of anonymous posters. :)
 
The government have been raising anti - Russian nonsense for ages and for many ex-servicemen the cold war never ended. Jumping to anti-Russian conclusions is like a hair trigger for them having been conditioned with propaganda for decades. Denial of paranoia is par for the course.

Accusations have been false. Russia are not the only people capable of producing novichok, this we know. The unknowns include who, how and why?... These unknowns will remain unknown in the absence of proper evidence.

I have not made up my mind and that is probably a good thing. But the way this incident has been handled then smothered looks very suspicious. It stinks of hypocrisy and western collusion by secret services for no other reason than to weaken growing Russian popularity.
So, the unknowns remain unknown then apart from what we (the public) don't know we don't know?

The Russian attempts to interfere in democracy aren't anti-Russian nonsense, nor are Russian cyber attacks on the West. Then we look at the Russian invasion of Ukraine and MH17.

This is Russia, not the West.
 
So, the unknowns remain unknown then apart from what we (the public) don't know we don't know?

The Russian attempts to interfere in democracy aren't anti-Russian nonsense, nor are Russian cyber attacks on the West. Then we look at the Russian invasion of Ukraine and MH17.

This is Russia, not the West.
What you know is what you are told...like be a good boy and you will go to heaven. Check the evidence.
So the Russians have been naughty! but Ukraine and MH17 are not in any way connected to this case. Classic non sequitur thinking. And hang on...was Skripal a spy for the West by any chance?

We have no idea what our secret services are doing in Russia to break up the country and anything to increase paranoia here is possible. Keep an open mind...
 
Just looking at the supervisory board

About us

and picking one out

Konstantin Malofeev - Wikipedia

from which

According to EU Regulation No 826/2014 from 30 July 2014, Malofeev is closely linked to Russian separatists in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. He was the former employer of Alexander Borodai, the so-called Prime Minister of the self-declared ‘Donetsk People's Republic’. Malofeev was also former employer of Igor Girkin, a former FSB colonel who provided security services to Malofeev's visits to Kiev and Crimea in the weeks before the annexation of the latter by Russia.[18]


Igor Girkin later reappeared as the leader of the separatist insurgency in the town of Slovyansk, and subsequently as the self-appointed Minister of Defense of the self-declared Donetsk People's Republic. In May 2014, during the separatists' occupation of Slovyansk led by Girkin, the Ukrainian security services SBU intercepted a phone call,[19] in which a person with the same first and patronymic names as Malofeev's, and a voice similar to his own, provides tactical military intelligence to Girkin and praises him for a recent ambush attack on Ukrainian anti-terrorism troops.


In February 2015, the Russian investigative newspaper Novaya Gazeta published a document,[20] which the newspaper alleged was a strategy for fomenting unrest in, and annexing Crimea, as well as other areas in South-Eastern Ukraine. The newspaper's editor-in-chief has publicly stated that the unnamed sources which leaked the alleged strategy, have informed the paper that Malofeev and his team had authored the document in February 2014. Also in 2014 hacker group Shaltay Boltay published leaked emails of George Gavrish, a nationalist closely cooperating with Alexander Dugin, suggesting wide range of financial support flowing from Malofeev's conservative funds to radical nationalist political movements in Europe.[21] In May 2014 organized a meeting in Vienna with FPO, Ataka and Front National.[22] Majority of that funding is funneled through the Saint Basil the Great Charitable Fund operated by Malofeev.[23]


Not exactly impartial then.
 

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