Critically ill man 'former Russian spy'

I have explained this. There would be precious little point in adding BZ if they told everybody. Can you think why. You are a scientist.
Yes, according to OPCW explanation BZ and its precursors were added secretly to verify analysis made by SpiezLab. It is a reasonable explanation.
BZ would be used as it has it likely has a similar spectrometry profile to the suspected agent.
Do you know what spectrometry profile does mean? How does it look?
Mass spectrometry - Wikipedia
Fourier transform mass spectrometry (FTMS), or more precisely Fourier transform ion cyclotron resonance MS, measures mass by detecting the image current produced by ions cyclotroning in the presence of a magnetic field. Instead of measuring the deflection of ions with a detector such as an electron multiplier, the ions are injected into a Penning trap (a static electric/magnetic ion trap) where they effectively form part of a circuit.
Detectors at fixed positions in space measure the electrical signal of ions which pass near them over time, producing a periodic signal. Since the frequency of an ion's cycling is determined by its mass-to-charge ratio, this can be deconvoluted by performing a Fourier transform on the signal. FTMS has the advantage of high sensitivity (since each ion is "counted" more than once) and much higher resolution and thus precision
What do you know about Fourier transform mass spectrometry?
Where have you read that BZ has similar 'spectrometry profile' to suspected chemical that was allegedly used as a poison?
The picture of poisoning DOES NOT look as if BZ was used. The picture of containment and clean up DOES NOT look as if BZ was used. Hope that helps. I am not going to go into BZ. You know about it anyway.
Why are you so sure the picture of poisoning does not look as if BZ was used? Are you an expert or have read about it somewhere? Where exactly?
 
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Yes, according to OPCW explanation BZ and its precursors were added secretly to verify analysis made by SpiezLab. It is a reasonable explanation.

Do you know what spectrometry profile does mean? How does it look?
Mass spectrometry - Wikipedia


What do you know about Fourier transform mass spectrometry?
Where have you read that BZ has similar 'spectrometry profile' to suspected chemical that was allegedly used as a poison?

Why are you so sure the picture of poisoning does not look as if BZ was used? Are you an expert or have read about it somewhere? Where exactly?
Product improvement fishing expedition.

There may be something to the Truxx Hypothesis.
 
What do you know about Fourier transform mass spectrometry?
Where have you read that BZ has similar 'spectrometry profile' to suspected chemical that was allegedly used as a poison?
I suggested it may have. Have a look. This was to avoid the idea of naughtiness which you were trying to introduce. Post 3138. A theory. As it was a suggestion, there was no need for me having read it now , was there Sergei?

There are a number of forms of spectrometry. One does not need to understand the Fourier transform to use one in the same way a man does not need to understand advanced chemistry to make a cake.

Why are you so sure the picture of poisoning does not look as if BZ was used? Are you an expert or have read about it somewhere? Where exactly?
You are the scientist , Sergei although I am a little confused that you do not realise that anyone with reasonable diligence from the teacher/supervisor could be trained to use a spectrometer to get data. You stated that the poisoning looked like BZ. The onus is on you to say why . I will give you a clue: tachycardia.

Do your own reading please. Then outline why the symptoms are similar to BZ.
 
You are the scientist , Sergei although I am a little confused that you do not realise that anyone with reasonable diligence from the teacher/supervisor could be trained to use a spectrometer to get data. You stated that the poisoning looked like BZ. The onus is on you to say why . I will give you a clue: tachycardia.

Do your own reading please. Then outline why the symptoms are similar to BZ.
It’s not fair to use the arch seeker of truth’s own tactics against him.
 
I suggested it may have. Have a look. This was to avoid the idea of naughtiness which you were trying to introduce. Post 3138. A theory. As it was a suggestion, there was no need for me having read it now , was there Sergei?

There are a number of forms of spectrometry. One does not need to understand the Fourier transform to use one in the same way a man does not need to understand advanced chemistry to make a cake.



You are the scientist , Sergei although I am a little confused that you do not realise that anyone with reasonable diligence from the teacher/supervisor could be trained to use a spectrometer to get data. You stated that the poisoning looked like BZ. The onus is on you to say why . I will give you a clue: tachycardia.

Do your own reading please. Then outline why the symptoms are similar to BZ.
It is detailed description of BZ, its properties and features
3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate
Agent BZ (3-Quinuclidinyl Benzilate): Acute Exposure Guideline Levels - Acute Exposure Guideline Levels for Selected Airborne Chemicals - NCBI Bookshelf
3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics
In short BZ is not lethal CW. It disables a person for a period up to 4 days.
https://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search/a?dbs+hsdb:@term+@DOCNO+7533
3-Quinuclidinyl benzilate (QNB, BZ) is an anticholinergic agent that affects both the peripheral and central nervous systems (CNS). It is one of the most potent anticholinergic psychomimetics known, with only small doses necessary to produce incapacitation. ... Effects of QNB by any route of exposure are slow in onset and long in duration. The onset of action is approximately 1 hour, with peak effects occurring 8 hours postexposure. Symptoms gradually subside over 2-4 days.
Returning to Novichok, it should be said that
Novichok agent - Wikipedia
According to a classified (secret) report by the US Army National Ground Intelligence Center in Military Intelligence Digest dated 24 January 1997,[53] agent designated A-232 and its ethyl analog A-234 developed under the Foliant program "are as toxic as VX, as resistant to treatment as soman, and more difficult to detect and easier to manufacture than VX".
 
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It is detailed description of BZ, its properties and features
So how are the BZ symptoms similar to the A agent used in Salisbury? This is your statement, not mine.

I would postulate that they are not. Indeed, the only reason you made that statement in the first place is because one of your higher ups said the sample had been contaminated with Buzz which we now know was a plausible control.

Try action at muscarinic receptors.
 
What UK US EU condemnation, and how many diplomats will be expelled, for suspected Israeli sanctioned murder of a Hamas member in Malaysia on Saturday?
What does that have to do with the Salisbury incident?

You must try not to confuse separate incidents. Murder is murder but one murder in Malaysia does not make an attempted murder in Salisbury any less reprehensible.
 
It displays the double-standards at play here.
See if you hear about it on the news.
See if there's a massive international back lash.
See if 23 countries expel IL. diplomats on the basis of 'suspcion with no evidence provided'.

That's what this has to do with Skripal.
It only matters when it matters, by all accounts.
 
I see KGB's handlers have been feeding him information in a desperate attempt to shore up what little remains of his reputation.
In doing so, they've only served to confirm he's nothing but a tool (in both senses).
 
Bypass all and any of the many anomalies and inconsistencies,, over look that there's been no evidence supplied over the last 7wks and go straight to your usual ad hom mode.
Anyone would think that you're trying to deflect away from the actual thread and are just playing it for 'likes' from like-minded subscribers to the official 'non-sensical' party line.
 
Bypass all and any of the many anomalies and inconsistencies,, over look that there's been no evidence supplied over the last 7wks and go straight to your usual ad hom mode.
Anyone would think that you're trying to deflect away from the actual thread and are just playing it for 'likes' from like-minded subscribers to the official 'non-sensical' party line.
So what is your own "party line"?
A dislike of the West or sympathy for the Russian government?
No doubt it's not as simple as that.

Apologies if the question isn't "intelligent" enough for you or if you think I'm just "playing it for likes".
 
It displays the double-standards at play here.
See if you hear about it on the news.
See if there's a massive international back lash.
See if 23 countries expel IL. diplomats on the basis of 'suspcion with no evidence provided'.

That's what this has to do with Skripal.
It only matters when it matters, by all accounts.
It matters when Russia uses a Chemical Weapon on our streets.

You're not very good at this. When they sack you,do you keep your pension plan? Is there a pension plan? They don't still send you to Воркутлаг do they?
 
So how are the BZ symptoms similar to the A agent used in Salisbury? This is your statement, not mine.

I would postulate that they are not. Indeed, the only reason you made that statement in the first place is because one of your higher ups said the sample had been contaminated with Buzz which we now know was a plausible control.

Try action at muscarinic receptors.
The Skripals were poisoned but didn't die. And Nick Bailey also was allegedly poisoned, didn't die and recovered relatively fast. So 'most likely' not mortal poison was used. As for the Skripals then when they have recovered? It is not clear. 'Most likely' long ago. Anyway, there were no any video, photo, interview.
Is ms.Skripal a free person? Has she access to internet or telephone? Is she able to talk with her 90yo Grandmother?
It is not clear.
Btw, during Football Cup British tourists will not have any problems in Russia but after it criminal case in suspected abduction of ms.Skripal could be opened. Any British policeman, serviceman, official could be detained for questioning for a few hours, days, weeks or months. Consular access? Russia could stop any consular access until visit of Russian consular officer to ms.Skripal.
 
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The Skripals were poisoned but didn't die. And Nick Bailey also was allegedly poisoned, didn't die and recovered relatively fast. As for the Skripals then when they have recovered? It is not clear. 'Most likely' long ago. Anyway, there were no any video, photo, interview.
Is ms.Skripal a free person? Has she access to internet or telephone? Is she able to talk with her 90yo Grandmother?
It is not clear.
Btw, during Football Cup British tourists will not have any problems in Russia but after it criminal case in suspected abduction of ms.Skripal could be opened. Any British policeman, serviceman, official could be detained for questioning for a few hours, days, weeks or months. Consular access? Russia could stop any consular access until visit of Russian consular officer to ms.Skripal.
Oh look; more bullshit whataboutery from Putin's poodle.

Plus threats of course.

Just piss off Sergey. You're nothing but a mouthpiece for a murderous bunch of thugs who have stolen Russia from its people.
 
Isn't it funny that any that disagrees with making judgements with no evidenceor proof aimed at defaming a third party is called a troll being paid by Ru?
I think the same thought-train was just fashioned on sky news.

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Absolute desperation from the system.
The Ru, proper investigative journalists and the rest of the planet are probably laughing their arses off that things have been reduced to this lunacy and this ridiculously stupid conditioning.
 
proper investigative journalists and the rest of the planet are probably laughing their arses off that things have been reduced to this lunacy and this ridiculously stupid conditioning.
All the words are there, just not in the correct order.
 
Isn't it funny that any that disagrees with making judgements with no evidenceor proof aimed at defaming a third party is called a troll being paid by Ru?
I think the same thought-train was just fashioned on sky news.

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Absolute desperation from the system.
The Ru, proper investigative journalists and the rest of the planet are probably laughing their arses off that things have been reduced to this lunacy and this ridiculously stupid conditioning.
‘Ridiculously stupid conditioning’ said without a hint of irony :rolleyes:
 

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