Criminal record context!!

#1
Ok, i fucked up before. How's it going to affect my chances of joining?

I went to uni and studied international relations, in my third year I went and studied in America and had a taste of the army. Spent the year training with the officer cadets out there and loved it, decided I wanted to join when I got back. Then came back and before my final year fucked it up!

Short story is... Having been away for that year I went on a weeks break with my brother to Prague to drink, eat and catch up. On a night out with a bunch of people from our hostel we got seperated, I ended up walking back alone, and got mugged. STUPIDLY, I fought back. Broke 2 metacarpels, my nose, cracked ribs, split eye, lots of blood on me. No one would help me, so wandered around until I found a main road, thought I would cause an obstruction so eventually the police would get called and would help me. A car stopped, reversed back, then tried to drive OVER me. I jumped on car as it did, ranted and shouted at driver, police arrive shortly.

Four days in detention center later, I end up in court, judge says because of the nature of my injuries and the fact I can't prove I was mugged the likelihood is I was in a bar fight and had made up the story. Hits me with 6month suspended prison and deportation. Criminal Record for 7 years. (Had the right to appeal, but would have involved me staying in Czech Republic, in prison, with no new evidence.... decided against it)

So.... it's 5 and a half years later (no further criminal incidents, and there were no prior criminal instances) and I have tried civvy life and done well (Currently the direct line manager for 140 people) but it's not satisfying.


I wanted to be an officer, but know that ship has sailed now. The question I've to ask then is what chance I've got of joining Int Corps. as a soldier with my background? First ACIO wasn't even interested in discussing what had happened, just said it will be when record is spent. I'd still be within the age limits to join Int Corps, but would I be able to? If not, what would you suggest as an option?
 
#2
I'd take nude photos of myself with a leek hanging out my balloon knot and post them in RumRation, if I were you.
Or self immolate and podcast it on here.
Hope this helps.
 
#4
No need to grovel, lad. Puts me off, as it does recruiters. You're welcome , all the same.
 
#5
They just decided that because of your injuries, you must've been in a bar fight, with no evidence to back it up what-so-ever? Forgive me for thinking this could well be a BS story.

If not...damn unlucky pal.
 
#6
From your posts on the other thread you started with the same story, it would seem you were actually convicted of offenses against the car, the bar fight assumption was not part of the conviction but may have influenced sentencing. Either way, you are not innocent in that aspect of the story. I have no idea how this will affect your chnaces of getting in, I suspect it might be significant. What really confuses me is that you seem to be saying, again on the other thread, that you have a good job at which you excell. I would stick to that if I were you!
 
#7
Absolutely correct, conviction was for the damage to the car. I don't claim to be innocent, I'm guilty of doing that. Doing well at job sure, its just not something I want to be doing in the future so looking at my options now.2 threads as didn't know which forum would be best to post the query. Wish the story was BS. I ended up with no wallet or any money on me, which I thought would've helped my argument but the judge said that she believed I would've lost this in the bar fight (there was no bar fight). I'm sure a perception of british people in prague, and the fact there was a football game on that weekend, added context to them that wasn't accurate. But ultimately I did commit a crime, but I do think the sentence was extreme.
 
#8
Your going to get more sense out of the ACIO you spoke with who would of gone through this with you on a personnal basis face to face so why the hell discuss this on ARRSE with people who you have never met and most who haven't a clue what day it is never mind the contents on RI's, Int Corp Selection and the Rehabilitation of offenders Act 1974.
 
#9
Just wondering if anyone has any experience of a similar position and whether they could suggest a course of action I haven't considered
 
#10
Just wondering if anyone has any experience of a similar position and whether they could suggest a course of action I haven't considered
Go to the Army Careers office and see what they have to say.
 
#12
DD, even if it doesnt show up on a UK criminal record, failure to disclose it would be a bad thing. Also consider the context that this chap wants to join a part of the Army that will almost inevitably require stronger than normal levels of vetting.
 
#13
DD, even if it doesnt show up on a UK criminal record, failure to disclose it would be a bad thing. Also consider the context that this chap wants to join a part of the Army that will almost inevitably require stronger than normal levels of vetting.
Ah, I didn't clock the int corps preference.

My suggestion would have been that they may not ask about foreign criminal convictions, in which case I'd keep zip.
 
#14
Well I guess you have no criminal record in this country. Personally I wouldnt think it would be a massive problem, but then again I know **** all about recruitment and if it would effect you. Try speaking to a recruiter.
 
#15
Just wondering if anyone has any experience of a similar position and whether they could suggest a course of action I haven't considered
I was charged with assault in the early eighties after repeatedly punching a bloke in a pub.

To prevent (initial) capture from the police I did a runner and dived onto a metro train, kicked out the windows and urinated all around the carriages before anally raping a 17 year old male student.

I was arrested and charged with lying on the not yet invented internet.
 
#16
Well I guess you could say that it was a similar position and your right, your approach was not an option I considered. Thanks for sharing though, I'm sure it's good for you to get that off your chest.
 
#18
Sly look,

After being a lurker on this site for over 2 years Im now in a position to contribute some information.

About 3 years ago I was in the process of joining the RAF regiment and 1 weekend on a night out I ended up in some quite serious trouble
and to cut the long story short by monday evening I was sitting in a cell in chelmsford prison on remand! I made a stupid drunken mistake and I ended up paying through the nose for it. 3 months later I walked out of court with community service and a 18 month suspended sentance. Went to the AFCO and spoke to my recruiter and was basically told I have no chance anymore and come back in 5 years although if I never come back it would be too soon. I was pissed off with myself to no end and was up shit street. I found out from forums on here that the army will let you join with 2 unspent convictions (apparently 3 but thats just taking the piss) . I had 2 unspent convictons and 18 months to kill before my suspended sentance finished. I researched the different regiments and the selection process and set my eyes on PARA. I trained like no other and got myself as fit as I could within the 18 months. The day my sentance ended on feb last year I put on a suit and took a print out of my convictions to my local AFCO. The sergant was a quality bloke and briefly asked me what happened and then popped out back to double check something and returned to say it shouldnt be a problem. He had to apply for me to get approval and a code (not sure what its called) and cut the long story short a year later I walked out of ADSC yesterday with a high A grade. My recruiter called me today to say I had an outstanding report and it was a pleasure to read and I have PRAC in 2 weeks time. I see everything that happened now as a kinda 'everything happens for a reason' thing and that I clearly wasnt meant to end up in the RAF!! So good luck give it a crack if you want it enough you can get it just dont give in or listen to the people that say you cant. All the best! Any questions give me a PM.
 
#19
When I joined up, told the recruiting bod about me troubled life and said walk out of the room come back in and I will ask you again.
3 years later, 10 man room, one the lads has some kit nicked Cib turn up and I confess all about the troubled life (not the kit knicking) they write to my CO bubbling me up. CO who had just given me my first tape, sticks the letter in my file NFA. 8 years later being nosy as duty Sgt, discover said letter in my file. Screwed up the letter bined it never had any problems ever after.
Moral of the story? Don't bother telling anybody anything (or change you name on pre-entry) and it might never come back to haunt you. And if it does it might be no more than a NFA. So by. My Maths it's a 1 chance in 3 of anything coming of your little porky.
 

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