Crime figures up and police numbers at their lowest level since 1985

This mindset has been embraced by the senior ranks of the police who it would seem do not understand or like actual policing. Those OBE wont earn themselves.
There is a reason I somewhat tartly observe no-one ever got promoted for thief-taking!
 

Gout Man

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Reading the Recent post by 'Boumer, Moggy and Wets' and many of their previous posts are always a mixture of informative analysis and disheartenment. Sadly the the governance of the police by successive Governments and the polices senior ranks seems to be fundamentally rotten to the core.

While the Conservative party was always considered the party of Law and Order by its members, and seen that it must be funded properly, this has not been shared by the parliamentary conservatives, particularly 'May'. Her hand has wrecked not on the police but other Home Office departments that have a security area of operations.

Add to this the encouragement of politicisation and in my opinion 'infiltration of left leaning social projects' by the senior police officers who I believe, despise the old school 'beat copper' and see them only useful as suits their political aspirations.

Since some elements of the police are a new 'politically aware' class of officers, who it would seem support 'social justice' rather than plain old Law and order. These it would seem are growing in number and becoming a larger tranche of current levels of manpower. That who seem to think and agree that they are more effective being used, as social workers, too re-educated 'Joe Public', and lets not even start on the use of social media by the various forces to portray a right on narrative.


I suspect that some coppers are increasingly unhappy with some of the taskings being thrown around by the 'head shed' to increase the policing of social media, hate speech and also being seen to be used as a 'praetorian guard'. Particularly by an increasing number of same the political class, that has caused much of recently increased civil tensions, by the introduction of nebulous 'hate crime' legislation.

I am sorry to say though that it does seem there is an increase even those who support 'law and Order' who are losing faith in the police as an institution that is part of the community, foot patrols seemingly are a thing of the past here in much of Devon. I know its not on the beat officer rather it budget mangers who would rather sp*nk money on LGBT livery and the like than policing. I suspect that throwing two thirds of the mindless politicaly generated fcuking paperwork out would help too.

Funding 'is not' the absolute cause of many of today's issues, although it has without doubt been a catalyst for retention problems. Sadly conservative politicians have moved form being conservative in economics, to knowing the cost of everything but the value of nothing. This mindset has been embraced by the senior ranks of the police who it would seem do not understand or like actual policing. Those OBE wont earn themselves.


While this may sound trivial it really is not, when you do see officers these day whilst mostly on television either as a 'hit' or 'puff' piece they tend to look scruffy as fcuk. I am not talking about post 'collar' rather standing on a cordon, Stab vests and belt kit are never going to help in that regard but ffs unpolished boots and a 'Twat Hat' that is crushed, badly worn or so large it slides over ears is not going to inspire confidence or respect.


As with so many of my posts, in the last 18 months or so, I hope that I am wrong and the Police as an institution, has not be so broken so as to have lost completely.
From a retired (thank the lord) happy ex copper, what you have written is spot on. Even the details of seeing “scruffy” coppers. I was only driving through a village yesterday and saw a WPC with her long hair down past her shoulders, no hat, jacket undone, I shook my head commented to my wife who agreed that in years gone by she would have been sent back to the locker room to sought herself out before been allowed out on patrol, and a pocket book warning administered!
If you can’t take pride in your appearance how can you expect someone to look at you and respect you? It’s all gone to rat poo they can’t even get the fecking basics right!
 
@Gout Man

A friend of mine is currently going through probationer training, and for a chuckle I sent them a photo of my pass-out parade.

It was Met loads of stamping and all that. Now I get that recruiting is at a very different pace, but still; current pass-out I understand (certainly for my nearest county force) is more like a graduation from 6th Form.

And yet, they get rid of the "militarism" of parade - and let people cut around in cargo trousers and black kit trying to look like half a tactical team.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect a return to patrolling in tunics (though they were probably knife resistent anyway with that thick wool) - but in decrying military trappings, the job then goes all "respect mah authoritah" with other things.

The essential problem is a retreat from all but blue light response, at a time when the demand for protective services is almost overwhelming. The police service is not the antitode to an otherwise broken society.

Robert Mark once noted the police had become “the anvil on which society beats out the problems and abrasions of social inequality, racial prejudice, weak laws and ineffective legislation”.

Please remember that - the police are the symptoms of the society it serves, and the reflection of it. That's why I approve of body worn camera. Hold a big mirror up to society and ask it if it likes what it sees.
 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
@Gout Man

A friend of mine is currently going through probationer training, and for a chuckle I sent them a photo of my pass-out parade.

It was Met loads of stamping and all that. Now I get that recruiting is at a very different pace, but still; current pass-out I understand (certainly for my nearest county force) is more like a graduation from 6th Form.

And yet, they get rid of the "militarism" of parade - and let people cut around in cargo trousers and black kit trying to look like half a tactical team.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect a return to patrolling in tunics (though they were probably knife resistent anyway with that thick wool) - but in decrying military trappings, the job then goes all "respect mah authoritah" with other things.

The essential problem is a retreat from all but blue light response, at a time when the demand for protective services is almost overwhelming. The police service is not the antitode to an otherwise broken society.

Robert Mark once noted the police had become “the anvil on which society beats out the problems and abrasions of social inequality, racial prejudice, weak laws and ineffective legislation”.

Please remember that - the police are the symptoms of the society it serves, and the reflection of it. That's why I approve of body worn camera. Hold a big mirror up to society and ask it if it likes what it sees.
A friend you say, and you didn’t talk him out of it? ;)
 
A friend you say, and you didn’t talk him out of it? ;)
I gave them a full and frank description of the job, and said I would help them if they decided to join.

The thing is, by any standard I had a very good and very interesting career.

So; if a job could not retain someone like me (without being big headed), that should be a warning marker. Yet it was put down to my individual circumstances (and attitude) rather than systemic issues. And it was never about money. I accepted I would always earn less in public service, but I believed the UK was worth the effort.

And so they just wasted (probably) thousands of pounds of investment and hard won experience.

All rather short sighted, Army Reserve have been keen to retain and deveop people like me. I genuinely wonder what the difference in culture is.
 
I accepted I would always earn less in public service, but I believed the UK was worth the effort.

And so they just wasted (probably) thousands of pounds of investment and hard won experience.

All rather short sighted, Army Reserve have been keen to retain and deveop people like me. I genuinely wonder what the difference in culture is.
Sadly those in power across the board seem not too 'believed the UK was worth the effort.'
 
@Gout Man

A friend of mine is currently going through probationer training, and for a chuckle I sent them a photo of my pass-out parade.

It was Met loads of stamping and all that. Now I get that recruiting is at a very different pace, but still; current pass-out I understand (certainly for my nearest county force) is more like a graduation from 6th Form.

And yet, they get rid of the "militarism" of parade - and let people cut around in cargo trousers and black kit trying to look like half a tactical team.

Don't get me wrong, I don't expect a return to patrolling in tunics (though they were probably knife resistent anyway with that thick wool) - but in decrying military trappings, the job then goes all "respect mah authoritah" with other things.

The essential problem is a retreat from all but blue light response, at a time when the demand for protective services is almost overwhelming. The police service is not the antitode to an otherwise broken society.

Robert Mark once noted the police had become “the anvil on which society beats out the problems and abrasions of social inequality, racial prejudice, weak laws and ineffective legislation”.

Please remember that - the police are the symptoms of the society it serves, and the reflection of it. That's why I approve of body worn camera. Hold a big mirror up to society and ask it if it likes what it sees.
It may not be marching as most on here would understand it, but...
Rain on police recruits' parade
 
It may not be marching as most on here would understand it, but...
Rain on police recruits' parade
Skin is waterproof, glory is eternal.

Good effort ladies and gents.

Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there; I do not sleep.
I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow,
I am the sun on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumn rain.
When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circled flight.
I am the soft stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there; I did not die.
 
The current Government may be rubbish, but one thread that is constant at work is 'what would a Corbyn/Abbott administration mean for the Job? I would predict a total ban on stop/search, no extra money, expansion of the role of the PCC's office, effectively putting a 'political commissar' at BCU level and God knows what 'diversity' initiatives [think BAME only recruitment etc].
 
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHAHA

Police failing to properly investigate quarter of thefts and assaults after years of cuts, inspectors find

Bloke who f*cked the police, says police are f*cked.

Where's Tom Winsor? At least HM Inspector of Police

Matthew Parr (Royal Navy officer) - Wikipedia

Can wear a uniform.

I would imagine he knows about as much about policing as I do submarines. Still, anyone can do policing. You can just walk in off the street and do it.

So if all these clever people cannot sort out policing, why are so many police still leaving or not staying then?

Maybe all these clever people should have listened to the police. Still, must not cry wolf.

On the plus side, not having any detective might make it a bit tricky for Mrs May to come unstuck during a leak enquiry?
 
The current Government may be rubbish, but one thread that is constant at work is 'what would a Corbyn/Abbott administration mean for the Job? I would predict a total ban on stop/search, no extra money, expansion of the role of the PCC's office, effectively putting a 'political commissar' at BCU level and God knows what 'diversity' initiatives [think BAME only recruitment etc].
Well, they'd get rid of armed support, abolish CT Policing and disband Security Service

John McDonnell denies backing call to end MI5 and disarm police

Ooops - I didn't read that document properly before I signed it or was photographed by it

Expand democracy. A federal republic of Britain: abolish the monarchy and House of Lords. Votes at 16. Re-empower local government. Extend civil liberties and rights to organise and protest. Disband MI5 and special police squads, disarm the police. MPs should only be paid a worker’s wage.
 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHAHA

Police failing to properly investigate quarter of thefts and assaults after years of cuts, inspectors find

Bloke who f*cked the police, says police are f*cked.

Where's Tom Winsor? At least HM Inspector of Police

Matthew Parr (Royal Navy officer) - Wikipedia

Can wear a uniform.

I would imagine he knows about as much about policing as I do submarines. Still, anyone can do policing. You can just walk in off the street and do it.

So if all these clever people cannot sort out policing, why are so many police still leaving or not staying then?

Maybe all these clever people should have listened to the police. Still, must not cry wolf.

On the plus side, not having any detective might make it a bit tricky for Mrs May to come unstuck during a leak enquiry?
I’d give you a funny for that but it really makes me angry. A Rear Admiral now the inspectorate of police.
Who made that appointment I wonder?
 
Ooops - I didn't read that document properly before I signed it or was photographed by it
It's tw*ts like him who to some extent make police work easier by delivering some of the evidence needed for a conviction. Hung by their own petard.
The bad news is that tw*ts like him are allowed to run around free without adult supervision.
 
I’d give you a funny for that but it really makes me angry. A Rear Admiral now the inspectorate of police.
Who made that appointment I wonder?
I find it funny now.

You have to have a degree to be a police officer, but no experience.
You don't have to have been a police officer to be a senior police officer.
You don't have to have been either to be HMIC.

And people wonder why silly decisions are made......

Because it is now just a pomotion machine, with very few actually interested in doing the job.
 

Gout Man

LE
Book Reviewer
It's tw*ts like him who to some extent make police work easier by delivering some of the evidence needed for a conviction. Hung by their own petard.
The bad news is that tw*ts like him are allowed to run around free without adult supervision.
And to think he is just a few votes away from actually being able to implement his communist/socialist views and beliefs on this country.
I think we are living in very dangerous times with a PM who cant get anything right and is consequently making a labour government look more and more likely by the day.
This Williamson scandal though, what exactly has he allegedly done? He states that he hasn’t leaked “any SENSITIVE” information. It’s that word sensitive that makes me think that he has maybe leaked information that in his opinion isn’t “sensitive”.
These politicians are clever at choosing their words. Now saying that, is what he allegedly leaked in the public interest?
I would say yes, but was he right to do it?
 

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