Crime figures up and police numbers at their lowest level since 1985

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LE
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Just listening to the Radio after the latest knifing and the ‘Community’ are asking for more money to help fight this knife crime with more police numbers.

Would this be the same community whose parents these kids come from? How about helping to help yourselves and bring up your kids properly?
The same 'Community' that will complain that Stop & Search is 'racist'?
 
Search for the 2017 election, most of the labour vote is in the north across Liverpool to Yorkshire and the Newcastle area.
And London being the anomaly down south with the changing ethnic demographics of the capital increasing Labour votes there
 
I kind of get that, I've never inherited wealth and after multiple divorces went through a bad patch and found myself effectively homeless in the SW (If you count working but still living in B&B and Hotels)

Then my IT dept got offshored to India, so crashed with friends whilst I went contracting wherever the work (mostly London because it's easier to get work there)

Starting with nothing again, I saved the money for a decent deposit for a house in under 2 years, and ended up moving somewhere far cheaper than where I used to live

We survive on my income, and the missus working part time.

I've got no family to fall back on, but knew I had to risk moving somewhere I didn't know people locally to afford to get back on the mortgage at my age

Could I have done it down South, maybe but quality of life would be a lot less

Realistically no one can build enough houses even if they wanted to now, with right to buy and millions of immigrants in the last decade alone, it's hardly surprising there is upwards pressure on housing down south.
The jobs market in London is buoyant especially compared to other countries in Europe so it acts a pull factor

From taxi firms to computer programmers for example, the number of Portugese I've met who've moved here for better employment prospects is quite large. They also moan about house prices, but they still recognise there is no magic bullet

The short term answer has to encourage employers and workers to spread out from south coast and London, as any long term solutions are going to be a long time coming

The thing is to teach kids resilience, get knocked down, get up and try again. The world isn't going to fight for you
I think there is a magic bullet re housing shortage. Its called Keynesian economics. A government funded program to build 5m homes over the next 5 years, rent caps, reintroduce MIRAS, and no-deposit mortgages.

The reason nothing is done about this crisis, (and it is a crisis with 350k homeless presently) is because 2/3 to 3/4 of our troughing bastard MPs are buy to let landlords and that's a nice little earner, isn't it?
 

JNM

War Hero
I think there is a magic bullet re housing shortage. Its called Keynesian economics. A government funded program to build 5m homes over the next 5 years, rent caps, reintroduce MIRAS, and no-deposit mortgages.

The reason nothing is done about this crisis, (and it is a crisis with 350k homeless presently) is because 2/3 to 3/4 of our troughing bastard MPs are buy to let landlords and that's a nice little earner, isn't it?
You’re saying MPs act in there own interest rather than that of those who voted them in?! -Gasp-

Next you’ll be saying that the only time you see the house full on not headline issues is when their pay is being reviewed!
 
Search for the 2017 election, most of the labour vote is in the north across Liverpool to Yorkshire and the Newcastle area.
Your comment was;
"Funnilly (sic)enough though it’s always the south where the Torys win the seats that allow them to **** over the working class."
That's what I'd like you to clarify.
 

2ndpreimage

Old-Salt
The issue with crime is it's not a police matter until after it happens (that includes preventative offences, which are still offences). Whilst you can talk about deterrence (oh the cops are actually going to catch me so I won't do it, or it's not worth the risk) apart from stopping serious crime by dealing with less serious crime the cause of crime isn't something that police can deal with.

People love the idea that police wandering the streets will somehow will turn the tide on fraud, and cyber crime, theft and burglary. With regards to things like Robbery, robbers still rob and if you're a subject of a targeted GBH or murder, more bobbies are unlikely to stop you from getting hurt. What gets missed is, when the perpetrator doesn't get caught, they do it again and it's that relationship between not catching the person after the first offence. The next bit is if they are caught when they get out, chances are they will do it again.

Ultimately, catching people takes bodies, prosecuting them takes bodies and keeping them inside takes bodies. People are the most expensive part of the criminal justice system.

What stops crime is people being in work, paid a decent wage, able to do things they want, able to raise their children and provide opportunities for them and having a sense of morality that says that certain behaviours are not acceptable, like beating your spouse. You get that from your parents, schools and peers. Crime isn't the cops fault, it's societies fault and adding more cops is a band aid. Society needs to step up to this one if it doesn't want to pay for shed loads more cops, prosecutors and jail space so that everyone can just have a crap life until they die.

p.s. there was study done many (many) years ago. A beat officer will come across a burglary in progress on average once every 8 years. I'd prefer a good alarm and two cops in a car who can respond to it going off but what do I know?
 
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p.s. there was study done many (many) years ago. A beat officer will come across a burglary in progress on average once every 8 years. I'd prefer a good alarm and two cops in a car who can respond to it going off but what do I know?[/QUOTE]

I always loved that little fact as you could also say that for 8 years the presence of that officer prevented any crime occurring.

Then just sit back and watch the 'factee' try to argue why your wrong as your messing with their own particular little world view.
 
Radio 4 this am - driving through hilly area so missed some of it - guy on talking about London crime, and saying that if Mr Khan spent less on increasing staffing levels at City Hall that money could be spent on better policing.The host (female,no idea who she was),shut him off sharpish and got rid of him.It's probably on iplayer somewhere.I'll have a wee look when I get home.
(I did mention this situation up thread somewhere)
 
Oh dear...

Another policy failure it seems...
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Meanwhile for those who missed it, Essex police appear to have given up on even bothering to have qualified detectives.

Force asks for 'volunteer detectives'

Assistant Chief Constable Nick Downing said: "This is not about policing on the cheap or lowering the status of detectives.

"I am very proud of the outstanding work that our detectives do and they are an integral part of our workforce, investigating the most serious, complex and harrowing of crimes.

"We continue to invest in both the training of our existing detectives and offer our other officers the opportunity to undertake the specialist training required to undertake this role."
I would like to salute ACC Downing for quaffing down a heroic dose of his own kool-aid.

Bit of luck, you'll be retired before the inquests, appeals, coroner's court hearings and other legal impact come to bite the force on the bottom; eh, guv'nor?
 
Next trial will be presumably to not attend both even and odd numbered properties and see if that cuts down on the crime statistics
 

needlewaver

Old-Salt
Oh dear...

Another policy failure it seems...View attachment 371549

Meanwhile for those who missed it, Essex police appear to have given up on even bothering to have qualified detectives.

Force asks for 'volunteer detectives'



I would like to salute ACC Downing for quaffing down a heroic dose of his own kool-aid.

Bit of luck, you'll be retired before the inquests, appeals, coroner's court hearings and other legal impact come to bite the force on the bottom; eh, guv'nor?
I'd give you a funny for the Police Not dross, but the rest of it can't seem to generate a flicker. We've gone the Police Staff Investigator line; some are brand new and are going straight on PIP 2 and statement taking courses. Others are ex 30 year men topping up the golf fee fund.

The bloke in my office is lovely as an individual and when I found out he was starting and that he'd done 1976 to 2009 with only 18 months as a lid, I thought great, the experience will he'all have will be epic.

It may well be but his internal clock stopped in 1983 and I suspect he got to retirement without a miscarriage of justice or a death in custody by shear blind luck. Add on to this fact that while apparently he's been teaching at The College on and off since retirement, he has retained no currency at all;

Gene (not his real name): Ere Needles why aren't we locking these khants up? What's this voluntary shit?

Me: Because SOCaP, which came in before you left, states that you have to have a necessity to arrest now. Loud shirts, big lips and cracks in pavement don't cut it.

Gene: Fack it, get him in and remand him, fakkit.

Me: What comics have you been reading since 2009 on which to base the competencies for your PSI application? You'll struggle to put bail conditions on someone these days, he'll be RUI'd. The days of remanding someone on a Saturday afternoon for a Monday court are long gone unless he's Jack the Ripper, Lord Lucan and Jeremy Corbyn all in one.

I suppose what I'm saying at great windage is; the Emporer is trying on many many new capes but until someone realises that experience has to be grown not bought, all these capes are purple.
 
I suppose what I'm saying at great windage is; the Emporer is trying on many many new capes but until someone realises that experience has to be grown not bought, all these capes are purple.
I agree.

I think I am just laughing my arse off, having heard a Chief Constable say (When asked about the exodus of experienced officers) "The right people with a thirst for knowledge will acquire those skills in a relatively short period of time".

And like most of the 'seniors', I suspect they were merely counting down until they retired and were OK and it was no longer their problem.

Such a shame about the public, never mind though. Still, hope those MP's get more police in Westminster for those nasty shouty types.
 

needlewaver

Old-Salt
I agree.

I think I am just laughing my arse off, having heard a Chief Constable say (When asked about the exodus of experienced officers) "The right people with a thirst for knowledge will acquire those skills in a relatively short period of time".

And like most of the 'seniors', I suspect they were merely counting down until they retired and were OK and it was no longer their problem.

Such a shame about the public, never mind though. Still, hope those MP's get more police in Westminster for those nasty shouty types.
In a perverse way, he's right. To get to the big hat/empty notebook stage of the game one must specialise in the arm of policing known promotion.

For the uneducated I shall translate- it has been stated passim on here that if you feel collars, you haven't got time to go all the way, ergo promotion becomes a skill in its own right. When you can wheel in a twenty year old straight from civil street, put them through thirty odd weeks of police "training" and at the end of that they can revise for, sit and pass the NPPF exam for sergeant. Some then go virtually straight on for the gaffers exam. And once the pips are in the bag, it's easy.

Again, somewhat verbosely, the only training that matters to him and his ilk, is relatively easy.
 
This is doing the rounds on El-Twitter.

Rather makes me laugh, but the College of Policing has bought into the blue cult.

Besides there's nice safe jobs away from real policing and promotions to be had, CV's to be written.
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