Crime figures up and police numbers at their lowest level since 1985

Also just watched it on catch-up.

I couldn't help thinking though, back to when @LingsCars posted that funny parody of the Armed Forces Recruiting ads and she had 2 or 3 coppers round her business the next day investigatng *potential* racism.

Meanwhile victims are being told to investigate their own burglaries?

Another incident I remembered was a hit and run several of us witnessed early evening. The driver clearly off his tits on something. Phoned through, description, exact location, vehicle details, direction heading, the lot. Nothing heard.

Later that night, went out for some groceries, 3 cop cars parked up on the bend, one holding a speed gun

Even later that night - 3am - I get woken up by a PCSO to take a statement. Only if it wasn't an inconvenience to me of course, in which case it would simply get "filed". Brilliant.

Yes the police are massively under-resourced, under-funded - but their "triage" policy needs a serious re-think at the highest levels if they want to start gaining public trust again.
Look on the bright side, old chap. There will always be plenty of coppers for the really important jobs. Like protecting MP's at Westminster, stagging on at Royal Weddings and arresting a bloke for teaching a dog to perform a, "Nazi salute".

Makes one proud to be British!:rolleyes:
 
Let's get one thing straight, police do not get involved in Twitter/Facebook spats unless a crime had been committed. Normally where threats of violence have been made and their is a potential for these to be carried out unless an intervention by police is made.
Not true in my force. We spend a ludicrous amount of time dealing with that sh1te
 
Everyone in a professional position is now forced to deal with the liberal agenda because they are so noisy and the establishment are such cowards.

The Police by the way have become a bit of a joke to the general public. They are no longer a service or force which anticipates its opponents actions, they are more like a bumbling QRF rolling out a half hour after the event and desparate to clean up and restore order.

The BBC Documentary on them showed them to be CCTV watching and on deployment social workers with muscles.
 
My deprogramming from the Blue Cult must have finally taken effect.

I can't be bothered to take that apart.

Apart from saying by the time I left I hated the public too and thought they were a joke as well, so the feeling's mutual.
 
My deprogramming from the Blue Cult must have finally taken effect.

I can't be bothered to take that apart.

Apart from saying by the time I left I hated the public too and thought they were a joke as well, so the feeling's mutual.
and therein lies the problem. The police and public are no longer on the same page. Both have to change to make it work.
 
TJF.

But so is the UK.

Or so it seems to me from walking a beat for a bit.

I always liked a line in a Terry Pratchett (PBUH) book, where the Watchman knew the cobbled streets he was on by the feel through his cheap and rapidly thinning boot soles. It strikes me much of Pratchett was good social commentary through fantasy.

Anyway, back to the plod. I had dinner with an old friend this week, and was stuck how by tired and stressed he looked. He was asking about job interviews and companies, and was living vicariously through my recent experience. He is a very good detective, whith pinch point skills and will be very, very difficult to replace (if at all, quite frankly). He gives the job another year before he leaves.

But never mind, a graduate who used to manage the local tesco will join as a direct entry detective, probably stay for 5 years and then leave.

And in a few years when the mistrials and miscarraiges of justice occur, re-read this thread. We warned the public, but you didn't listen. Nor did politicians. Certainly HMIC didn't.

The deprogramming has obviously slipped. Damn.
 

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My deprogramming from the Blue Cult must have finally taken effect.

I can't be bothered to take that apart.

Apart from saying by the time I left I hated the public too and thought they were a joke as well, so the feeling's mutual.
We always use to say that the public got what it deserved.
I was reading The London Police Pensioner Magazine the other day. There was Q and A page about what the police do or should I say don't do nowadays compared to a few years back. It's rather enlightening. I have to go out now but if I remember I shall quote some of them upon my return.
 
TJF.

But so is the UK.

Or so it seems to me from walking a beat for a bit.

I always liked a line in a Terry Pratchett (PBUH) book, where the Watchman knew the cobbled streets he was on by the feel through his cheap and rapidly thinning boot soles. It strikes me much of Pratchett was good social commentary through fantasy.


Anyway, back to the plod. I had dinner with an old friend this week, and was stuck how by tired and stressed he looked. He was asking about job interviews and companies, and was living vicariously through my recent experience. He is a very good detective, whith pinch point skills and will be very, very difficult to replace (if at all, quite frankly). He gives the job another year before he leaves.

But never mind, a graduate who used to manage the local tesco will join as a direct entry detective, probably stay for 5 years and then leave.

And in a few years when the mistrials and miscarraiges of justice occur, re-read this thread. We warned the public, but you didn't listen. Nor did politicians. Certainly HMIC didn't.

The deprogramming has obviously slipped. Damn.
I liked Pratchett's views on Policing by Consent as well,

Any large, well organised mob could wipe out the entire City Watch in a matter of hours. The trick lay in never letting people realise this.


The 2011 Riots proved how true this was, as the Met was forced to retreat and leave large sections of the city in the hands of the rioters for an extended period. Given how much thinner the blue line is now, the next large scale outbreak of violence will be even more difficult to deal with.
 
The 2011 Riots proved how true this was, as the Met was forced to retreat and leave large sections of the city in the hands of the rioters for an extended period. Given how much thinner the blue line is now, the next large scale outbreak of violence will be even more difficult to deal with.
Hush now. Mrs May will hear you, and she doesn't like non-team players.
 
Hush now. Mrs May will hear you, and she doesn't like non-team players.
Did you see the footage of Ms Dick on the news this morning? According to her, violent crime has actually started falling since she got the top job. So that's all right, then.
 

Aside from the gender-triumph love in*, I wonder if any of the elite leaders will comment on the crisis in retention and recruitment?

I was told the other day, an "old sweat" on a core relief team in the Met was 5 years....

The met obviously cannot attract CID officers from within their own ranks, and so is advertising for direct entry detectives (clearly those who don't ask why they cannot recruit from witihin...)

But never mind.

*Now I have no problem with female authority, and have worked for female bosses. The problem I had with them, as with the male bosses, was their incompentence. Which sadly transcended gender. What should matter is a persons professionalism, rather than gender, or other protected characteristics.
 
Yes - bring back hanging and flogging. The decent citizens of the UK will finde their courage, fight back and take the law into their own hands and drive these criminal scum out of villages, towns and citties across he UK, then drive these scum into the sea and destroy them.

The pendulum of permissioness and 'anything goes' much beleived in by Liberal, lefty Luvvies, socialists, communists, the Liebor Party and other political ne'er-do-wells must swing back to self discipline and law and order, NOT 'progressive Political bullshite' peddled by the lunatic left and self appointed Cultural marxist deadbeats.

The UK is very tollerant as a general rule, but crime is spiralling out of conrol, and our cowardly, spineless politicnas and other, the Liberal elites need to 'grow a pair' and show leadership and grasp the nettle by the hands and kick back against crime, slavery, people trafficking and those who advocate 'Free drugs, Booze, ciggies, sex and rock-n-roll for all"

(rant over)
 
Did you see the footage of Ms Dick on the news this morning? According to her, violent crime has actually started falling since she got the top job. So that's all right, then.
f**8ing round spherical objects..... she is one of those Liberal elites who appear to be divorced from reality or who live in a parralel universe..
 
f**8ing round spherical objects..... she is one of those Liberal elites who appear to be divorced from reality or who live in a parralel universe..
Dick by name . . .
 
Yes - bring back hanging and flogging. The decent citizens of the UK will finde their courage, fight back and take the law into their own hands and drive these criminal scum out of villages, towns and citties across he UK, then drive these scum into the sea and destroy them.

The pendulum of permissioness and 'anything goes' much beleived in by Liberal, lefty Luvvies, socialists, communists, the Liebor Party and other political ne'er-do-wells must swing back to self discipline and law and order, NOT 'progressive Political bullshite' peddled by the lunatic left and self appointed Cultural marxist deadbeats.

The UK is very tollerant as a general rule, but crime is spiralling out of conrol, and our cowardly, spineless politicnas and other, the Liberal elites need to 'grow a pair' and show leadership and grasp the nettle by the hands and kick back against crime, slavery, people trafficking and those who advocate 'Free drugs, Booze, ciggies, sex and rock-n-roll for all"

(rant over)
Bleeding-heart, liberal do-gooders like you are the reason we no longer have an Empire:twisted:
 
Chickens coming home to roost...

Well, dear old Tom Winsor made a virtue of getting rid of "back office staff".

The number of warranted officers working on admin jobs is also deemed harmful to forces since they cost more than civilian staff who could do the same tasks.
Winsor report: harder to get into the police, easier to be made redundant

Now once upon a time, those "admin jobs" would have been divisional collators or intelligence unit staff who knew the ground and the human terrain.

But they are all gone now, in this "thrusting new future". And with "Police: Now" and "direct entry DC's" - who has the patience to learn and understand an area, to which you won't be posted for long?

And which Direct entry Inspector or Super has the courage to authorise long term work against gangs in the area, when they have their eye on a two year promotion cycle?

So, yes. The chickens are coming home to roost, but they were set in motion by people like Tom Winsor and Mrs May.

Rather than a model of policing like mountain rescue, educated risk takers who knew their ground and worked it until they were intimately familar with it, we now have an ever changing cast of people trying to understand an area - when the criminals have more time to learn than the police.

But that's none of my business anymore.

(Though when drunk I consider applying to fast track superintendent recruitment campaigns, just for shitz 'n' giggles).
 
Is it all about numbers? From an outsider looking in, the numbers required have to go up, not down. Because the courts eagerness to ensure a righteous trial, requires that much more effort which eats into the hours. And, the increasing specialisation and demands to perform duties outside of patrol and preventing crime take up even more hours.

Perhaps they should return to the old distant way and go back to the municipal police model, paid for by councils and charged with patrol/prevention exclusively. With the Treasury and home office, properly funding the county forces under a central authority, with all those wider roles, including doing the paperwork and administration for the municipals.
 
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