Crime figures up and police numbers at their lowest level since 1985

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Do they contain the word 'final' in answer to the solution?.
Not quite. But I would cur foreign aid at a stroke. I had my yearly tax code delivered and on it was a pie chart showing how my tax was spent.
Do you know more of my tax went to foreign aid than the EU membership bill.
So I really would cut that bill by at leaśt 90%. Then the obvious influx of UNSKILLED and illegal immigrants entering will be rounded up and exported back to their country of origin. Next I will tax these Russian Oligarks to within an inch of their lives so they either pay for the privalage of living here or f off back to Russia with their dirty money, either way we will be better off.
The above should raise a few quid.
 
Police 'take days' to respond to 999 calls

The police are overwhelmed with demand. Or are we “crying wolf” as PMTM once said and would want you to believe?
I would imagine if you take the expansion of responsibilities laid at police doors, and the current levels of staffing you are getting to the point where things will snap. Of course the senior management like ours, the extra tasks were taken on without regard to manpower. There's little appetite for the gong bearers to say no.
 

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Stop and Search on the increase in London. I wonder what T May thinks of the latest violent knife crime figures on the streets of London.
It really does give me a smug sense of satisfaction to know that this incompetent ex Home Secetary's policies have come home to roost. When I was in the job all we heard from up above was how safe the capital was. Well I suppose it was if you drove a desk.

Now they blame social media for violence, it's incredible.

Met chief blames social media for violence
 
Stop and Search on the increase in London. I wonder what T May thinks of the latest violent knife crime figures on the streets of London.
It really does give me a smug sense of satisfaction to know that this incompetent ex Home Secetary's policies have come home to roost. When I was in the job all we heard from up above was how safe the capital was. Well I suppose it was if you drove a desk.

Now they blame social media for violence, it's incredible.

Met chief blames social media for violence
Well, she says hardly going to blame it on entrenched gang culture.

I mean, that would mean crime had gone up, and we could not do more with less.

And that senior police had made a hash of things for an extended period of time.

And the Home Secretary and the Prime Minister don't want to hear that.
 

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Well, she says hardly going to blame it on entrenched gang culture.

I mean, that would mean crime had gone up, and we could not do more with less.

And that senior police had made a hash of things for an extended period of time.

And the Home Secretary and the Prime Minister don't want to hear that.
Yep, they only hear and believe what they want to and too hell with everything/everybody else.
 
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression numbers peaked in the early 2010s, but it's astonishing how far work loads have increased and the role and remit of the Police expanded even just since then.
 
Well, she says hardly going to blame it on entrenched gang culture.

I mean, that would mean crime had gone up, and we could not do more with less.

And that senior police had made a hash of things for an extended period of time.

And the Home Secretary and the Prime Minister don't want to hear that.
Wot more than Jackie Smith or Cooperballs,all they passed her was a poisoned chalice. And don't get me started on Senior Police Officers, they could all handle things so much better borderwise .
 
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43610936

I assume in these times of restraint that the 'fact finding tours' will be economy class for all the VSOs?

And from the comfort of my armchair I've managed to google NYPD & Met numbers and learn that:

NYPD have 40000 cops
4500 Auxiliaries
5000 School safety agents
2300 Traffic agents
370 Traffic enforcement supervisors
So over 52000 uniforms on the street.

The Met 31075 cops
1464 PCSOs
2763 Specials

So 16000 less uniforms, not that numbers mean anything of course.

Sadly my fact finding tours of NYC weren't funded by the state; but I do know Manhattan seems to have a cop on every corner and where I've stayed in Long Island City, Queens and Brooklyn NYPD precinct houses are seemingly everywhere.

Again not that'd suggest that having cops in the community where they work so they can start patrolling the second they walk out the door is a good idea of course.

No our method of pulling back to a couple of big towns in the county and deploying from there, never having the same staff working the area so local knowledge isn't developed (keeps em fresh), not actually getting out to the area they're meant to cover due to paperwork from other jobs or getting diverted to jobs closer to the nick, is far better.......
No thats the wrong word isn't it?
Cheaper, that's the word I meant.
 
Even cheaper when you rely on volunteers.

There were direct appeals to resigned and retired detective officers to come back because the Met cannot cope.

Funny that, they haven't realised people are leaving because we were treated like dirt by senior ranks. As Gandalf wisely put it, "Nay, the guest who has escaped from the roof, will think twice before he comes back in by the door. Nay, I do not think I will come up".

Now they are so desperate, they cannot recruit detective officers either from within or via transfer: the met tried an experiment of direct entry into CID. Of course, people so incurious that they cannot work out why the met cannot recruit detectives the traditional route might lack the awareness for a career in investigation.

But never mind, those 31 murders since January are just properly recorded crime (including 8 in a 5 day period). Crime Isn't up, and the job Isn't on the bones of It's arse.

Now if you will excuse me, I have promised to read another friend's CV as they are desperate to leave. Obviously a disloyal splitter, not an experienced detective. It's odd that even from highly motivated friends in specialist departments, i am told that TJF and even more entertaingly "The kids are in charge".
 
I may be wrong, but I was under the impression numbers peaked in the early 2010s, but it's astonishing how far work loads have increased and the role and remit of the Police expanded even just since then.
But how many are left?

And how many on core relief have more than their probation period of experience?

Retention and development of skills is a critical issue in policing.

Or you can believe the lie that "healthy churn" will magically solve the problem.

"Potentially return to policing"? Whoever wrote this is on crack.

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But how many are left?

And how many on core relief have more than their probation period of experience?

Retention and development of skills is a critical issue in policing.

Or you can believe the lie that "healthy churn" will magically solve the problem.

"Potentially return to policing"? Whoever wrote this is on crack.

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I gave a funny for that informative piece of shite you posted. I wish we had a fecking hilarious button. Who wrote that? let me guess, someone with the rank of commander, maybe even higher with a first class honours degree in philosophy and an honours in BULL SHIT!
Joined on the old fast track promotion scheme. Has an arrest record of maybe one a month whilst a probationer, mainly given into custody by store detectives.
Spent a couple of years as a Sgt in the roll of the Ch Supt secretary before been promoted to Inspector in charge of duties and then really fast tracked up the ladder.
My god and senior ranks actually believe that crap. It's utterly unbelievable what politicians and senior officers have done to what ONCE was the best and most respected police force in the world.
It's a crying shame it really is. Whoever wrote that and who ever believes in it should be bloody ashamed of themselves, in my opinion they are not fit to wear the uniform.
 
There were direct appeals to resigned and retired detective officers to come back because the Met cannot cope.
He he, they haven't asked retired Border staff to come back, possibly May isn't keen to bring back customs. Perhaps there's an apocryphal lesson there. What's really important doesn't matter. Public perception is far more important. Still as long as there's jobs for the boys eh?
 
This would be the same college of policing who want everyone to have a Masters to progress, right? And who want becoming a cop to be like becoming a paramedic? Out of touch wasters.
rather like HMRC when they wanted ex Customs staff to have a qualification for what we'd been doing for thirty years. Yep I'm fully qualified to do nothing. I took it in 2008 jest[ it was at that]before going on to UKBA who then trained me to do Immigration work and I retired in 2011. All made perfect sense didn't it? I even had to take me OST refresher the year I retired.
 
A few years back I came across the document that created the College of Policing premis, Christ knows what I was searching for online but it was so bad I had to read it all.
My own summary was that a VSO without a degree (or had one but it was a BA in creative dance) had a chip on his shoulder about it and thought that as he was in a profession he should have specific letters after his name so he could turn up at golf club dinners with surgeons and lawyers and they couldn't look down on him.
 
Even cheaper when you rely on volunteers.

There were direct appeals to resigned and retired detective officers to come back because the Met cannot cope.

Funny that, they haven't realised people are leaving because we were treated like dirt by senior ranks. As Gandalf wisely put it, "Nay, the guest who has escaped from the roof, will think twice before he comes back in by the door. Nay, I do not think I will come up".

Now they are so desperate, they cannot recruit detective officers either from within or via transfer: the met tried an experiment of direct entry into CID. Of course, people so incurious that they cannot work out why the met cannot recruit detectives the traditional route might lack the awareness for a career in investigation.

But never mind, those 31 murders since January are just properly recorded crime (including 8 in a 5 day period). Crime Isn't up, and the job Isn't on the bones of It's arse.


Now if you will excuse me, I have promised to read another friend's CV as they are desperate to leave. Obviously a disloyal splitter, not an experienced detective. It's odd that even from highly motivated friends in specialist departments, i am told that TJF and even more entertaingly "The kids are in charge".
Met have started 44 murder investigations this year.
 
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