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Crime figures up and police numbers at their lowest level since 1985

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by wetsmonkey, Jul 20, 2017.

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  1. Ah, the 'C' word. The main problem, as I see it, is tail wagging dog. And a reluctance for COG to deal with issues, rather to ride them out till their next post.

    Don't get me wrong, in principle, I agree with outsourcing quite a bit of back office non operational function. GMP employs its own cleaners - why? When you take into account recruitment costs, management overhead, etc. It should be a managed service.

    The problem is the Force is probably 20 years behind even the Civil Service, let alone the private sector, in effectively managing service providers.
     
  2. Numbers aren't always everything....
     
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  3. Surely all the black crime doesn't count as they were forced to do it by a white supremacist system. That's reduced it by 50%.

    No charge.
     
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  4. I have to disagree, this isn't the met being looked after, but the CT branch which has a separate budget and does a semi-separate role. The building is wholly necessary to have, but don't confuse it with the met suddenly being flush.

    A guardian article states 24 Police Stations have been sold, along with a number of other properties and a huge chunk of Hendon. More are being lined up to go. The met gaining one very specialist building does not replace the other ones lost.

    The uplift in firearms officers is an internal recruitment drive. It is syphoning off the experienced backbone of many response teams (as well as neighbourhoods and other units), leaving a skills shortage (notably taser, driving; to a lesser extent search and public order) and fewer uniform cops doing non-specialist roles.
     
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  5. AFAIK, the only variable that ever has an effect on crime rates are numbers of police on streets. Not death penalties, not draconian sentencing, but cops in uniform.

    Whatever you think of Rudy Giuliani politically, he managed to transform New York from a murderous hellhole into a thriving, low crime city simply by getting more police on the streets.
    NYPD has 34,000 uniformed officers out there.
    LAPD, the next largest US police force, has 9,000
     
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  6. So, basically, a link between taking part in criminal activity, and the odds of getting caught.
     
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    Yes you are absolutely right. Unfortunately politicians and senior police officers have no stomach for this and force officers to employ delaying and appeasing tactics in the vain hope
    that nobody gets hurt and nobody complains about them.
     
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  8. Actually, there are several things at work here. First of all, there is the fact that violent crime in the US (and everywhere else) decreased sharply about 15 to 20 years after lead in petrol was banned in each locality. Lead is a potent neurotoxin, and the hypothesis is that lead in petrol caused a generalised environmental contamination with microparticles of lead (especially noticeable in cities) which poisoned the brains of unborn and newborn infants.

    Most of the time, not much happened but some of the time in individuals already otherwise predisposed to violence, those aspects were exaggerated and you got impulsive criminals.

    Improved contraception and legal abortion, when this became available in the USA, basically meant that a lot of unwanted kids weren't born, which meant that the ones born were more valued and better looked after.

    Finally, policing techniques have dramatically improved so that criminals now stand more chance of getting nicked. It is the chance of getting caught, not the severity of punishment, which deters criminals. Even if the criminal justice system doesn't do much to punish criminals, the mere fact that hours of their lives are utterly wasted by being processed through the police system is quite a large punishment in its self, and the connection between "being naughty" and "mindless, endless boredom in police custody" does have some effect.
     
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  9. that does bugger all for ordinary people getting mugged or burgled - CT expenditure is, I imagine, ringfenced (quite rightly) - CT is quite separate and national as this type of criminal activity doesn't impact on normal peoples' day to day lives usually
     
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  10. Phew you're joking, I thought for a minute David Lammy had hacked your account
     
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  11. Ah....

    But the fact that qualified and experienced detectives are ever more scarce means that the requirement for those skills on CT matters, means there are less experienced and qualified detectives for when you house gets burgled or a rape is committed.

    I was watching some TV the other day and Wiltshire police at force level cannot put out a burglary squad.

    That's a pretty sad indictment.
     
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  12. It was 999 whats your emergency. One Policeman did say due the sheer rise in crimes they deal with such as online hate crimes, mental health, drugs and alcohol etc they don't have time to focus on the more serious stuff, There is one episode which dealt with parents who couldn't control their kids so they called the Police
     
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  13. That's it, I was a bit refreshed whilst watching it. Cheers!

    An object nearly went at the TV when the "Head of Crime" was on in her uniform.

    Can't stand CID officers who put on a uniform to try and look important. If they wanted to be a lid they should have stayed out of the department.

    Unless "Head of Crime" was the adminstrative Criminal Justice Division, in which case who cares and they're still a lid.

    The Lidfinder-General detects the stench of "helmetry" in the CID and does not like it.
     
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  14. Great, that brought back a few memories of my time in the NRP. Give the scrotes a warning to disperse, if they don't comply fairly sharply, lob in a few tear gas grenades then charge, dispensing not so gentle taps with "riot batons" a bit like a pick handle, on anybody still there!!
    Happy days, especially as there was no "social media" or TV cameras to worry about.
    I remember my Constables watching a programme about the anti Vietnam war protests in Grosvenor Square, on the Police clubs TV set, the only one in our Police camp. Seeing the Mets bobbies, complete with pointy hats gently lifting protestors into police vans whilst being bombarded with missiles and abuse and asking me if we could volunteer to go and help them out using our methods. "It would teach these bad people not to attack the Police Bwana."
    They couldn't understand why the Police allowed themselves to be abused like that and definately would not tolerate it themselves. I could not give them a satisfactory answer and it was one of the reasons I did not try to join a British Police force on my return to the UK, that & the fact I wouldhave to drop a couple of ranks back to Constable.
     
  15. A little while ago was down in Avon & Somerset for a meeting. Over lunch I was chatting with one of the guys, who's wife was French (these things happen).

    He told me that his brother in law had been visiting, he was a Cop (can't remember if it was Nationale or Gendarmerie) and had asked him 'What gun do you carry?"

    "British police don't routinely carry weapons"

    "So if you are chasing someone and they are faster than you, what do you do?"

    "Well, if they get away, they get away. Why? What do you do in France?"

    "We shoot them of course"
     
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