Cressida Dick looks Stuffed

Honestly it's not that exciting, just dinosaurs same as everywhere else - the equivalent on here would probably be the sort of person who thought everything went wrong when the Army ditched .303 or puttee
We aren't there now. I'm a member of those sites because every now and then you get a thread of gold. Hearing reminiscences of people who worked my area, or knew officers on my area who were killed in the line of duty and who participated in the manhunts, who bring something personal to the stories of these men who we still remember to this day are worth the rather more numerous miserable sods who moan about snowflakes and twitter, or that Cressida Dick bats for the other team, or that we no longer lock people in a cell and forget about them over the weekend.
You must know some really old dinosaurs to talk about a uniformed Sergeant throwing someone's breakfast in the bin in front of the whole relief in what used to be a police canteen.
Without getting filled in by the rest of the relief?
And chucking someone in the cells for a whole weekend?
Oh really?
Any more anecdotes from the '60s at all without what the dinosaurs called 'evidence?'

I could tell you when at least 5 people of Constable rank took home more money than the Commissioner, with their overtime and allowances.
And the other 32,000 other people in the same job also had much mirth and big belly beer laughs, and looked forward to seeing which crims or bad fcukers day they were going to **** up.
Every single day at work, and getting paid for it too.
I couldn't believe that I was getting paid for doing what I was having fun at.
But you will never ever know that, along with any feeling of total solidarity amongst your colleagues.
You have none, and whose fault is that?
The great British public really does not want to see rainbow painted police cars going out to gather more lgbtq etc etc recorded crimes.
They also do not want to read about gender neutral wicking T shirts

Can you guess what they really do want?
 
Early 90s, I should think. Still in tunics, but not for long. The particular instance was from someone still serving, though not long left. That was at FF. I have no doubt there are similar stories at other nicks if you go back.

As for the others, the 60s must be about right, given that some of the anecdotes included regarding the manhunt for Harry Roberts.

The sad thing is, in your little rant you've sort of shown the point. It's a different world we police now. Some of what has changed is genuinely for the best and some really isn't.

You have none, and whose fault is that?
... based on what, presumably, you know from the outside looking in, from a long distance away.
 
Not a rant by any means mate, you should have met me when I was working to see a real one.
More a lament that what used to be held up to the world as an example of law enforcement is now reduced to this.
It isn't Joe Public signing petitions or the Daily Mail running campaigns to get pikey flags flying at HQ buildings or to buy those rainbow painted cars.
I dread to think what the paint job costs for them.
It is your organisation taking these decisions and you can blame nobody else for the current state of it.
Nobody.
Not even Boris or Priti Patel.
I was in and around Central 3000 in July 2005 and if you think she is a good leader, decision maker and Commissioner then you are in for a very big shock one day.
Not as big a shock though as you will have when she gets the Met to 50% female staff, at least she has admitted this in public now.
Where Danny the Tranny fits in this scheme of things I cannot say.
There is nobody else to blame any more, certainly not the long suffering public who deserve far far better.
All self inflicted.
 

Earlier on Friday, Ken Marsh, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, which represents more than 30,000 officers in London, said Dame Cressida has the “full support of the rank and file”.

He told the PA news agency her leadership has been “excellent”, while her “ability to communicate with officers of all ranks is quite incredible”.

So it is unanimous, "A safe pair of hands".

Dame Cressida said: “I am immensely honoured and humbled to have been asked to extend my time as Commissioner for a further two years. I am proud to continue to serve my city.


Stuffed? No, suffused with pride.

"So this is what success looks like." Ed.
 
It doesn't really matter what peoples thoughts are on Cresida Dick, if the boys and girls on the ground floor think she has their back, then that's fine by me, she's doing a good job for the job.

I am old enough to be one the the dinosaurs who roamed the canteens of the Met grazing on 999 breakfasts and flaky sausage rolls. And guess what the jobs always been F£$%ed.

The police have never been able to cope with the rate of change in society and technology since the 80's, it is still a system based on the ideas of Bob Peel in 1829.

I believe an independent body, probably a royal commission, should be put together to make a decision on what we want the police to do, how we want them to do it, and how much were wiling to pay for it. It should be able to take submissions from anywhere and be politically neutral. If we end up with rainbow cars and all the other things people are Grrr about, then you didn't put your argument for whatever you want strongly enough.
 
It doesn't really matter what peoples thoughts are on Cresida Dick, if the boys and girls on the ground floor think she has their back, then that's fine by me, she's doing a good job for the job.

I am old enough to be one the the dinosaurs who roamed the canteens of the Met grazing on 999 breakfasts and flaky sausage rolls. And guess what the jobs always been F£$%ed.

The police have never been able to cope with the rate of change in society and technology since the 80's, it is still a system based on the ideas of Bob Peel in 1829.

I believe an independent body, probably a royal commission, should be put together to make a decision on what we want the police to do, how we want them to do it, and how much were wiling to pay for it. It should be able to take submissions from anywhere and be politically neutral. If we end up with rainbow cars and all the other things people are Grrr about, then you didn't put your argument for whatever you want strongly enough.

Yes. The Met (and by extension other forces) had some rather obscure responsibilities and many more that were subsequently heaped upon it. Dog licensing, lost property, parking and the Public Carriage Office (Hackney cabs) were four that spring to mind.

At one time a new bus could not enter service on the streets of London unless the design had first been submitted to and approved by the police. Drivers' cabs and upper decks of buses remained open to the elements for considerably longer than was necessary simply because that's how the police wanted it to be.
 
I believe an independent body, probably a royal commission, should be put together to make a decision on what we want the police to do, how we want them to do it, and how much were wiling to pay for it.

We want the police to tread on yobs, take down organised crime, and act as a visible deterrent. Just like they do in most civilised countries. There's nothing complicated about it.

Pay what it costs. There'll probably be long term savings in other areas.
 
Not as big a shock though as you will have when she gets the Met to 50% female staff, at least she has admitted this in public now.
Where Danny the Tranny fits in this scheme of things I cannot say.
There is nobody else to blame any more, certainly not the long suffering public who deserve far far better.
All self inflicted.

We are pleased to announce that Cressida Dick has the full backing of the criminal fraternity of London. Long may she reign...
 
We want the police to tread on yobs, take down organised crime, and act as a visible deterrent. Just like they do in most civilised countries. There's nothing complicated about it.

Pay what it costs. There'll probably be long term savings in other areas.
well if enough people feel like you do then that will be what happens
 
I'd bet a year's pay that most people in the UK feel like I do on this matter. But our opinions seldom count.
As long as the political classes are running things, the wokist agenda will dominate policing.
Yup, and all of the rank and file, junior, middle and senior ranks have also lost their collective tongues over the last few years to point out the bleeding obvious up the chain of command ?
But it is always somebody else's fault though.
You also need to look up the actions (or inactions) of the Police Federation between 2012 to 2014 to see where an awful lot of the blame lies.
Which they have since laughingly called a turbulent period apparently.
As I have said once already, all self-inflicted.
And not going to improve any time soon.
Grr.
 
Yup, and all of the rank and file, junior, middle and senior ranks have also lost their collective tongues over the last few years to point out the bleeding obvious up the chain of command ?
But it is always somebody else's fault though.
You also need to look up the actions (or inactions) of the Police Federation between 2012 to 2014 to see where an awful lot of the blame lies.
Which they have since laughingly called a turbulent period apparently.
As I have said once already, all self-inflicted.
And not going to improve any time soon.
Grr.

Rubbish. The rank and file are regularly criticising senior management, politicians and the media for the direction that policing has taken.

The Fed were warning the Conservative Government about the consequences of their cuts and reforms years ago. They were accused of crying wolf and because of their inability to strike have been continuously shafted.

The U.K. police have been defunded by this government and used as a political football. The police have no confidence in the government and sadly I can’t see that changing.

The day you leave policing is the day you stop being current. Looking back with rose tinted glasses is laughable.
 
Drains and radiators mate, look it up. (Yet again)
On You Tube preferably. (Again)

A couple of points here which you seem to have have made with your obviously usual Grrrr tunnel vision.
If you are, as you say, criticising management and very senior management then you are not doing it very effectively are you?
It is, after all, only your senior management deciding the direction and priorities of the organisation, such as placing rainbow cars, trannies and pikey flags as being above targeting burglars and other criminals after all?
Not even Boris or Priti (2 x Grrs just in case).
The Police Federation have surrendered every single allowance and every concession that was hard won on your behalf by previous generations since 1997, as has been pointed out to you before on this and other threads.
Subsistence, overnight and several other allowances went at the stroke of a pen on 1.4.2003, at the behest of that well-known Tory Home Secretary David Blunkett.
You also mention about crying wolf because of your inability to strike.
Well guess what?
It was only after the Federation balloted the membership about asking for the right to strike in 1976 that the Edmund Davies Enquiry into pay was launched.
A different Federation and a different culture.
They had bottle and solidarity, you have none.
Neither the current Federation or membership that serve now are for the better either.

BUT, now to your point about the day you leave the Police etc.

You may well find that when you retire and walk out of the door, some of your colleagues from past and present times may well wish to keep in touch with you and perhaps even socialise with you and organise occasions such as reunions.
Colleagues of all ranks even.
Perhaps even a couple of times a year, in this giddy social whirl of retirement, you maybe invited to attend a retirement do, or even Christmas or promotion bashes, perhaps mixing with people still serving in certain areas of the organisation.
And those youngsters and not so youngsters may wish to speak to the dinosaurs and discuss all sorts of operational matters and tactical problems.
Just to get a feel and a balance of opinions in a live and current operational sphere.

But somehow I don't think that this hectic social whirl will trouble you in your retirement at all.
Dunno why though.

Rose tinted glasses?

A good year for the roses coming up very soon.
 
Probably been said since Rowan and Mayne, but the average Mr and Mrs Joe taxpaying Public of today deserve much better than the current third world service for paying first world taxes.
Forget the criminal underclass scummers, the Police are not there to represent them (or anyone else) but to enforce the law impartially and fairly against them when they transgress.
Not to ask if they have any special needs, educational deficiencies or other problems except for having sticky fingers.
Just to lock them up and then?
That is for the Magistrates to decide,
But those lines seem to be a bit blurred these days.
Apparently, but it all someone's fault.
 
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Copied across from the general "All inter-web links" thread . . . as it somehow speaks to the desperate state of today's policing . . . that the locals feel both empowered to be able to do so . . . and, abandoned by the those who should be keeping them safe . . . both, at the same time :( .

"A man had his hand cut off after being attacked with his own machete by angry vigilantes, according to locals".

Tower Hamlets is going all Taliban ( if its true)
seems some nutter went at people with a chopper , but he got all cut up about it

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The Police Federation have surrendered every single allowance and every concession that was hard won on your behalf by previous generations since 1997, as has been pointed out to you before on this and other threads.
Started in 1993 with the Sheehy report under Kenneth Clark, Harry. Fed rolled over. Even before that in about 1991/92 it started with Waddington changing Rent allowance to Housing allowance and making it taxable. A few other minor allowances were taken at the same time. As soon as Maggie was deposed by the November 90 traitors, the Conservatives let it be known they had it in for the police.

Conservatives or Labour. They are just as bad as each other. At least Labour have never claimed to be the party of law and order and defence. Modern plod have worse terms of service than before the Edmund Davies report in 1978.
 
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