Creationism on rise in UK

#2
It’s a very loaded piece which draws on a lot of Islamic input. Which by definition is a religion requiring a belief in a creator and these people didn't change their thinking overnight. It even admits in the background that it is not a story Support for creationism in the UK has traditionally lacked real vigour Don’t let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 
#4
If they can't complete Wembley before May, with millions of pounds worth of technical equipment, how am I supposed to believe that a mythical deity created the universe within 6 days? Wonder if he had a penalty clause in his contract?
 
#5
You're only supposed to believe it if you want to have your life controlled by people who think an imaginary person dictates the destiny of the universe.
 
#7
The rise of religious intolerance in the west (both christian and islamic) may be a sign that we are heading for a religious war to end all religious wars. Probably in our lifetime. Don't dismiss the power of the religious right. They have been working overtime to get into positions of power and enforce upon us sinners their truth and wisdom! The future is going to be a worrying time for any fundamentalist atheists like me.

Anybody for Atheist jihad?
 
#9
I have to say that my favourite line in the article was the quote that
"irrationality is a very infectious disease as we see from the United States."!!!!
 

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#10
Its bl@@dy amazing God/Allah created the world in 7 days, but he can't stop some bloke in Denmark printing cartoons taking the p!ss out of one of his mates, and he can't stop dozens of kids being buried alive in the Philipines or WW2 or genocide or Tsunamis.

I always look on in horrid fascination when I meet these people (the faithful). The thikos I understand - they are too stupid to question what the've been told. The manipulators I understand - religion is just another route to power - do what I say because I speak the word of God. Its the intelegent ones I don't get. The bright sparks, the successful businessmen, the senior officers, padres. All intelgent people who exercise careful judgeemnt in thier day to day business but throw it all to the wind and believe in absolute tosh on a Sunday.

I'm obviously missing something!
 
#11
Chaps I have just had a look on the Royal Society website. This lecture to be presented by Prof.Steve Jones is free and can be attended by anyone as far as I am aware. Details here

I've already whacked this in the diary IN PEN being the science geek I am, so if anyone else fancies giggling at the back of the lecture theatre with me then they are more than welcome! :wink:
 
#12
Religous claptrap. Existentialism is the way-a-head - there is no meaning of life, or a god, or big plan - we just die. Which means we can live our lives without having to adhear to religious mumbo-jumbo that should have stayed in the darkages. As soon as we get rid of it, then maybe we won't have people blowing themselves up in the name of god, or believing they are leading some sort of modern day crusade.

"Religion is the opium of the masses" Marx.

I'm not a socialist, but I think that is a pretty accurate statement.
 
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amazing__lobster said:
Religous claptrap. Existentialism is the way-a-head - there is no meaning of life, or a god, or big plan - we just die. Which means we can live our lives without having to adhear to religious mumbo-jumbo that should have stayed in the darkages. As soon as we get rid of it, then maybe we won't have people blowing themselves up in the name of god, or believing they are leading some sort of modern day crusade.

"Religion is the opium of the masses" Marx.

I'm not a socialist, but I think that is a pretty accurate statement.
Actually, i think you will find the quote comes from Mao.

I find it amusing how religious bigotry seems to be the last bastion of acceptable irrational thought, because, atheist societies have NEVER partaking in genocide or policitical cleansing, eh!
 
#15
Plastic Yank said:
amazing__lobster said:
Religous claptrap. Existentialism is the way-a-head - there is no meaning of life, or a god, or big plan - we just die. Which means we can live our lives without having to adhear to religious mumbo-jumbo that should have stayed in the darkages. As soon as we get rid of it, then maybe we won't have people blowing themselves up in the name of god, or believing they are leading some sort of modern day crusade.

"Religion is the opium of the masses" Marx.

I'm not a socialist, but I think that is a pretty accurate statement.
Actually, i think you will find the quote comes from Mao.

I find it amusing how religious bigotry seems to be the last bastion of acceptable irrational thought, because, atheist societies have NEVER partaking in genocide or policitical cleansing, eh!
Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.
Karl Marx.
Of course nowadays it could be rewritten "delete Religion, insert Television".

I always find it amusing that if someone says that they have done something because "the voices in my head" told him to then he is drugged/treated/locked away but if he had said "The voice of God speaks to me" then no problems.
 
#16
Quote: Aldous Huxley

At least two thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity, idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religious or political idols.
 
#18
Howay_the_Lads said:
Goes back to the thread that we had last month on the 'Is Religion the route of all evil'
No, Man is - Social Darwinists anyone? Baddest Mofos ever to walk the earth! :twisted:

But staying on the thread I do believe in intelligent design, evolution I think does not answer everything.
However since ID - is more philosophical in nature imho, I don't think that that it should ever replace evolution in the classroom but then again I do feel that that those who believe in ID should not penalised for their beliefs.
 
#19
Darwinism is just a theory, and as we all know, no theory is correct, it just hasn't been proved wrong yet. However, when compared to the fairy stories in the Bible/Qu'ran it is a hell of a lot more believable.

If I actually cared, until the heavens open and God/Allah thunders down Monty Python-style and says "Errrr, actually it was me...sorry", I'd stick to Darwin.

As usual, believe in the fairytales if you wish, just don't come knocking at the door and try to impose them on us rational people or try to corrupt the young before they are able to properly assess the 'facts' presented to them!
 
#20
castlereagh said:
Howay_the_Lads said:
Goes back to the thread that we had last month on the 'Is Religion the route of all evil'
No, Man is - Social Darwinists anyone? Baddest Mofos ever to walk the earth! :twisted:

But staying on the thread I do believe in intelligent design, evolution I think does not answer everything.
However since ID - is more philosophical in nature imho, I don't think that that it should ever replace evolution in the classroom but then again I do feel that that those who believe in ID should not penalised for their beliefs.
Problem with ID is the question of who or what did it? And then who or what designed the designers.And then.... you get the point.

At some point you will end up with either god or nature as the starting point.
 

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