Creatine for endurance??

#1
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
 
#4
YorkieDragoon said:
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
Creatine helps build muscle/strength. It has little if any aerobic benefit, and the side effects of sustained use are still unknown.

Tell your mate not to waste his money. :roll:
 
#5
I wish people would read up on creatine before they say its gonna help with endurance... its only used in the intitial stages of exercise and would really only be beneficial in sprinting and gym work and the sort... however dont bother telling him this as he may get a placebo effect that will help in through and it will also help in those initial stages :)
 
#6
Werewolf said:
YorkieDragoon said:
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
Creatine helps build muscle/strength. It has little if any aerobic benefit, and the side effects of sustained use are still unknown.

Tell your mate not to waste his money. :roll:

That was my feeling. Quite apart from the fact that I don't think there's anything on P Coy that you cannot do if you're physically prepared. If he hopes to bypass the need to dig deep for the grit and test himself mentally when it gets tough, I feel he's missing at least 50% of the point of being there.

If it isn't going to have an adverse effect, it could at least be a placebo....
Edited after reading werewolf's post- yes, I agree.
YD
 
#7
kingcal91 said:
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#8
I once heard that if someone wants to go faster and further there was, once upon a time a myth called real training...

Yorkie, what you said about the physical requirement of P coy only making up for 50% is right fella, i did it back in 2003 and even though i was extremely fit, if i was weaker in mind i would never of finished and earned my wings
 
#9
I used creatine for a while and gained massive amounts of strength and size but a lot of it was water retention which will make him bulky and weigh him down when running. It did with me when I was on it anyway. I'd favour athleticism over brute strength and bulk any day.

Who would face a better chance of passing the course? Jay Cutler or Usain Bolt?
 
#10
YorkieDragoon said:
Werewolf said:
YorkieDragoon said:
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
Creatine helps build muscle/strength. It has little if any aerobic benefit, and the side effects of sustained use are still unknown.

Tell your mate not to waste his money. :roll:

That was my feeling. Quite apart from the fact that I don't think there's anything on P Coy that you cannot do if you're physically prepared. If he hopes to bypass the need to dig deep for the grit and test himself mentally when it gets tough, I feel he's missing at least 50% of the point of being there.

If it isn't going to have an adverse effect, it could at least be a placebo....
Edited after reading werewolf's post- yes, I agree.
YD
A very good point, mate. :wink:

Anyway, taking Creatine tabs during P Company would have little effect, since Creatine takes time to work, and only when it's used as part of a strength/bodybuilding program. As another ARRSEr pointed out, using Creatine causes you to bulk up, partly with extra water in the muscles. I would think extra weight and bulk is the LAST thing anyone trying for P Company would want! 8O

One final point: I doubt the DS would be very impressed by a recruit popping tabs of any kind during the course...
 
#11
YorkieDragoon said:
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
It's brilliant stuff and cheap, cheap, cheap. Not sure about the pills (capsule wall takes time to digest) but a few mgs of creatine powder 30-45 minutes before a workout is all you need.

Additional strength and stamina is noticeable when I train with weights especially towards the end of a session. Read up on Taurine too. Regarding additional stamina for running? I don't know but I doubt if it would be as effective while running long distances (40 mins +).
 
#13
PandaLOVE said:
YorkieDragoon said:
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
It's brilliant stuff and cheap, cheap, cheap. Not sure about the pills (capsule wall takes time to digest) but a few mgs of creatine powder 30-45 minutes before a workout is all you need.

Additional strength and stamina is noticeable when I train with weights especially towards the end of a session. Read up on Taurine too. Regarding additional stamina for running? I don't know but I doubt if it would be as effective while running long distances (40 mins +).
Nope not all.. as i said prior initial stages...hence why your feeling positive effects in exercise involving power - such as weights etc.
 
#16
Werewolf said:
Creatine helps build muscle/strength. It has little if any aerobic benefit, and the side effects of sustained use are still unknown.

Tell your mate not to waste his money. :roll:
It is, after all, THE most researched supplement in the history of Sports Medicine. If there were any serious concerns, they would have come to light by now, after 30 years of usage.
 
#17
Werewolf said:
YorkieDragoon said:
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
Creatine helps build muscle/strength. It has little if any aerobic benefit, and the side effects of sustained use are still unknown.

Tell your mate not to waste his money. :roll:
With the water retention, he would have a buffer before dehydration kicks in (and this sustain a greater power output, all things being equal). While it has nothing to do with the ATP (unless he needs burst of speed), the side effect shouldn't be overlooked (what do they say, 3% dehydration, 20% decrease in power).
 
#18
PandaLOVE said:
YorkieDragoon said:
So one of my mates who's got P Coy upcoming reckons that if he gets hold of a jar of creatine tabs and pops them throughout, it'll give him the boosts of energy that might help him through.... 8O

I feel uncomfortable with this idea, and cannot help but think that it probably isn't a good idea. However, this could just be because I feel uneasy at the idea of any of the supplement type things.

Should I warn him off the idea?
What is the actual purpose/ effect of creatine?

YD
It's brilliant stuff and cheap, cheap, cheap. Not sure about the pills (capsule wall takes time to digest) but a few mgs of creatine powder 30-45 minutes before a workout is all you need.

Additional strength and stamina is noticeable when I train with weights especially towards the end of a session. Read up on Taurine too. Regarding additional stamina for running? I don't know but I doubt if it would be as effective while running long distances (40 mins +).
If he worked periodically above the lactate threshold (ie fartleks), it would probably do him some good.
However you've always got to take into account the extra mass you're shifting about from the water retention.
 
#19
Carcass said:
Werewolf said:
Creatine helps build muscle/strength. It has little if any aerobic benefit, and the side effects of sustained use are still unknown.

Tell your mate not to waste his money. :roll:
It is, after all, THE most researched supplement in the history of Sports Medicine. If there were any serious concerns, they would have come to light by now, after 30 years of usage.
Well that saves me writing it :D

If anyone had any major issues with it in the last 30-40 years (I think during the early 70's it was being researched), it would have come to light.
 
#20
Bossdog said:
The problem with Creatine is an increased risk of dehydration which in the climate of current ops would not be a good thing.
While I cannot comment on creatine use when on ops, I can comment on the fact that kidney issues come from long term dehydration, the use of creatine just speeds it up (lowers your threshold because water in the body is contained within the cells instead of circulating within the blood stream). If you ensure liquid intake remains high when you can, someone on creatine is likely to suffer less dehydration during the periods without water (like a camel hump, but intracellular).

A lot of distance runners take creatine for this reason.
 

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