Crashed Stirling to be recovered.

With the same low-altitude wing as the Sunderland, a decent range and bomb-bays with lots of toggles for smaller bombs I've always thought it would have made a good convoy escort aircraft, but then that presumes Bomber Harris letting a few Kraut civilians live to save our own merchant seamen.
 

sunny james

War Hero
Yeah they hated us for dropping food once the hun was booted out.
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They didn't wait until Jerry had gone. The Germans agreed to not shoot at relief planes.
From Wikipedia
"

Operation Manna and Operation Chowhound were humanitarian food drops, carried out to relieve a famine in German-occupied Netherlands, undertaken by Allied bomber crews during the final days of World War II in Europe.

Manna was carried out by British RAF units, as well as squadrons from the Australian, Canadian, New Zealand and Polish air forces, between 29 April and 7 May 1945.

Chowhound (1–8 May) was an operation by the U.S. Army Air Forces, which dropped, together with Operation Manna, a total of over 11,000 tons,[1] of food into the still-unliberated western part of the Netherlands, with the acquiescence of the occupying German forces,[2] to help feed Dutch civilians in danger of starvation.

After it was realised that Manna and Chowhound would be insufficient, a ground-based relief operation named Operation Faust was launched. On 2 May, 200 Allied trucks began delivering food to the city of Rhenen, behind German lines."
New to me was "Operation Faust" where Allied trucks delivered food behind the German lines.

 
In the same vein,"Where they lay" by Earl Swift;ISBN 0-593-04947-0,Transworld Publishers, 2003,all about the American effort from the US Army's Central Indentification Laboratory. Excellent read.
 
ditto sticking with the puny .303’s.
IIRC there was a .50 Browning rear turret design for the Lancaster, ''Roserice''?, another for Halifax and another for the Sunderland Mk IV & V
 
IIRC there was a .50 Browning rear turret design for the Lancaster, ''Roserice''?, another for Halifax and another for the Sunderland Mk IV & V

Rose turret, some started being fitted from 1945. Not a terribly good turret, very high stoppage rate.
The upper turret on later marks was a Martin with twin .50's as fitted to many US bombers like the Liberator in widespread RAF use, a much better bit of kit. Why the penny didn't drop early on an the Liberators good tail and nose turret wasn't sourced too is a bit of a mystery.
 
Rose turret, some started being fitted from 1945. Not a terribly good turret, very high stoppage rate.
The upper turret on later marks was a Martin with twin .50's as fitted to many US bombers like the Liberator in widespread RAF use, a much better bit of kit. Why the penny didn't drop early on an the Liberators good tail and nose turret wasn't sourced too is a bit of a mystery.
Oddly San Diego made B-24D's usually lacked a tail turret, having an open position with a single or twin .50. They mainly served in the PTO in the 7th and 13th AF

also some later B-24L had no tail turret from the factory they were fitted at overseas depots as needed
 

tiv

LE
Oddly San Diego made B-24D's usually lacked a tail turret, having an open position with a single or twin .50. They mainly served in the PTO in the 7th and 13th AF

also some later B-24L had no tail turret from the factory they were fitted at overseas depots as needed
IIRC the Liberator, like the B-17, originally only had hand operated guns. The aircraft originally supplied to the RAF were made with provision for dorsal and tail turrets plus hand operated waist and nose guns. On arrival they were fitted with Boulton Paul turrets mounting four .303 Brownings. Once the Americans started to fit their turrets mounting .50 Browning the practise ceased.
 

tiv

LE
IIRC there was a .50 Browning rear turret design for the Lancaster, ''Roserice''?, another for Halifax and another for the Sunderland Mk IV & V
The Haifax used a Boulton Paul rear turret having two .50 Brownings and the Lancaster sometimes had the Fraser Nash .50 turret instead of the Rose turret and some had the Martin mid upper fitted. There was a twin .50 turret for the Sunderland, the Curran Brockhouse.
 

skeetstar

Old-Salt
Sure I read somewhere that the air ministry approached Rolls Royce to design a new machine gun for arming bombers. I recall it was to be based on the same round as that used by the Boys rifle. Never got to fruition though
 
Of the six major Allied four-engine bombers - Boeing B-17, Consolidated B-24, Boeing B-29, Short Stirling, Handley Page Halifax, Avro Lancaster - the Stirling is the only one of which there are no surviving examples.

Some may find this "good reason to move it."
Personally, I do not.

There's a Sunderland in the Crab museum at Hendon; same thing from the waterline upwards, more or less.

You can go inside, it's a really good exhibit if you get a chance.

I took a sneaky day off earlier this year, that museum looks like my early teenage Airfix bedroom only at 1/1 not 1/72.
 
Sure I read somewhere that the air ministry approached Rolls Royce to design a new machine gun for arming bombers. I recall it was to be based on the same round as that used by the Boys rifle. Never got to fruition though
Not much point with Browning M2 being available and more potent.
 
The Haifax used a Boulton Paul rear turret having two .50 Brownings and the Lancaster sometimes had the Fraser Nash .50 turret instead of the Rose turret and some had the Martin mid upper fitted. There was a twin .50 turret for the Sunderland, the Curran Brockhouse.
you do have to wonder at the RAF thought process....

1942: these .303 turrets are a bit pants, we need .50’s
What about buying those very excellent American .50 turrets fitted to all our Lend Lease bombers?
No, we’ll get a load of small time players to design a series of .50 turrets.
1944: well, they’re finally here, but they are a bit pants - but they’re British!
1945: Tail Gunner - FFS! This new turret hasn’t got any glazing! And the bloody guns jam 60% of the time. Upper gunner - nice and comfy up here in Mr Martins turret mate, and the guns work.

but there again, having worked out Schrage Music was a deadly threat to its bombers, never bothered to put the ventral guns it had deleted back which would have saved many bombers, instead putting out some cover story about ‘flaming onion’ AA weapons to explain away the crew reports of huge fireball explosions they kept seeing - it was bombers blowing up as their wing tanks were shredded.
 

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