Given the cap badge features my little pony surely Brony would do the job?
I willing to bet its not them asking for the change though. Most of the (few)women I knew in the REME weren't interested the last time this was raised.Aye, the Signalman/Signaller get's rolled out.
In any organisation there is always somebody climbing up the promotion ladder trying to make a name for themselves, making a big statement, fucking off everybody below them in the foodchain, but in this case I shouldn't think that our newest soldiers in the Corps give a rats arrse about the change. They have a completely different mindset to us old fogeys. The old sweats will have a moan, crack on and finish their engagements still moaning. Twas ever thus. Anyway, It's their Army, not ours.
Of course it's not the juniors asking for change, and you are correct in that at least one serving lass thinks it's a waste of time. Can you think back to when you were a young soldier, you wouldn't have asked for a change like this, crikey, you wouldn't have asked for any changes, you would have just done what you were told and got on with it, same as I did.I willing to bet its not them asking for the change though. Most of the (few)women I knew in the REME weren't interested the last time this was raised.
One reason why its a standard excuse from officers (young vs old) is that the young in the Army rarely think about whats going on so don't complain as much. Some examples being pay cut 2000 or pension changes, the young don't know what they are missing out on, don't complain and if they don't complain then they must support it...
I can almost guarantee this will just be an opportunity for certain individuals to show how modern and progressive they are.
Exactly what he said., it's an officer making a name, showing how cool and diversive they can be.
This was posted on one of the REME facebook groups (there are several)
Given the competitive environment above, why wouldn’t we consider ways to remove any negative influences? The audience that I am focused on is the Generation ‘A’ technically minded females who will expect their world to be equal by design. Those that scroll through the Army website and, when offered the chance to be a Sapper, a Signaller or a Craftsman, subconsciously avoid ‘Craftsman’.....
Talk about a manipulative survey, “you can vote for the below alternatives of add your own“. How about just leave it as it is? The women who worked for me in my workshop were not interested in being called Craftswomen, they saw Craftsman as gender free and wanted to retain the rank as it was. These survey buffoons have nothing better to do than to re-invent the wheel continually. Anyone who been involved in polls or surveys will know the first question asked is ‘what result do you want to receive’ before the poll or survey is generated. Most females these days don’t like the ‘ess’ added as in Manageress etc. we have have Managers and Facility Managers in my company, no titles have been changed to accommodate gender, although the option is there for those who wish to be titled so, we have never had anyone use the term. Most are it as derogatory to differently titled to their male colleagues.I don't see why 'Technician' can't cover it. Reverting to 'Private' (Although we were called that until we passed initial trade training) just seems lazy.
Although, I have seen the original notification that the Mail refers to, it is not an official notice and it isn't signed off by anybody other than "Colonel REME"
I'll dig it out.
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Complete crap and negative propaganda to support a pre ordained decision in my view. He has probably met a handful of recruits who are more worried about his rank than voicing their true opinionNoticed this bit in the quote. I don't know how today's young people think, but none of the "technically minded females" I've met have this attitude, they just get on with it.
No not really as the ‚N‘ word is a form of abuse, and the last I heard ‘Craftsman‘ was never a form of abuse unless you’ve heard otherwise. It is entirely as you put it ‚PC shite‘. I have women working in my company as Managers, Facility and Project Managers we don’t have Manageresses anymore it is outdated and the male word has been adopted by females also without any great drama, similarly a few years back, actressess wished to just be called actors and by their own insistence. So where is the issue with using Craftsman for both sexes? How do you have female definition for Craftmanship, there simply isn’t one as it not gender specific, however it defines skill quality in a selected trade by whomever applies that trade. Therefore by derivative Craftsman can also be gender neutral as indeed manager is know. As I have previously mentioned the females working in my workshop were more than happy with the Craftsman title and refused to have it modified for them In any form. “Progression” does not necessarily mean dropping everything and any tradition just because you can or you feel obliged to by some woke movement, not all change is good or is without negative ramification.It’s not “PC shite” it’s just progression. Why is it not an issue if ‘females’ aren’t bothered? On that basis it must be ok to use the N word because black people do
I agree entirelyTo add a few more thoughts - times are definitely changing, I now find it unremarkable to meet a "female" in a technical role. I don't actually like the word "female" being used like this, there's no need to highlight a difference that really doesn't matter.
You could do, but as HQ SOinC ceased to exist in 2012 (when the Arms Directors* were culled) you may not get a reply straight away.
* DRAC, DRA, EinC(A), DInf, SOinC, DEME, DRLC, DInt, DAAvn. For reasons nobody at the time understood, D SPS and D ETS survived as 1* "Heads of Arm".