Discussion in 'Professionally Qualified, RAMC and QARANC' started by SHHB071229, Sep 9, 2010.

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  1. I have just been accepted for Nursing Diploma (Mental Health). My plan, once qualified (yes I know its 3 years away) is to rejoin either the RAF or the Army as a CPN.

    I wonder if anyone in the know can tell me if I can do this with a diploma or does it have to be a degree? Do I have to be qualified CPN to join or do I do the course once enlisted?

    Just a bit of knowledge would be good please.

  2. My NHS experience would tell me that you would be better doing the degree as nursing moves closer to being an all graduate profession. I don't think they run the CPN course anymore this was an old ENB course. Most CPN's these days aren't qualified CPN's You can do some degree or degree module in community nursing I imagine. I'd phone the university up and speak to one of the lecturers for better advice.
    I cannot advise about QARANC but i'm sure someone else could.
  3. Thanks for that Jarrod, I am going to do the Diploma as I need the bursary. As far as I am aware if I consistently achieve more than 50% on my assessments then at the end of the diploma I can do a couple of months extra to get the degree. does that sound right?
  4. Yes you can top up but no idea how long it takes. The problem is many people move on, earn money and the years pass along and it gets harder to study when you are working. I'd talk to one of the tutors.
  5. OK will do, suppose it might be quicker and more accurate to just pop into the recruiting office to get the gen on rejoining. Thanks for the advice Jarrod, really appreciate it.
  6. It will (I am told) be possible for diploma qualified nurses to join as direct entries for some years to come, although that window will close eventually. When that is, is anyone's guess. For your own professional good, is there no way you can do the Degree?

    As noted above, the CPN qualification is now defunct. The community qualifications currently on offer are unlikely to make you a more attractive recruit to the military. CBT and EMDR are the wave of the future (at least until someone discredits them, like every other psychological therapy eventually!). It might be difficult to get formal qualifications, but an interest and level of knowledge/experience in those areas would be looked on favourably.

    Have you thought about the TA whilst training? Getting to military MH conferences and DCMH placements is a great way to network.

    PS Don't expect too much at the careers office. The QA recruiting team (for the Army) are a bit better, but mainly general nursing oriented.
  7. Or come to the Pale Blue and experience the truest form of autonomy I have ever seen: Aeromed.

    Fly to somewhere thousands of miles from the nearest psychiatrist and decide on how and when to bring the Serviceman or woman home!

    What I really mean to say is that either service offers a pretty amazing life, further education opportunities and experiences you will never get in the NHS, in fact a mate of mine years ago was offered a senior CPN job on the grounds that she had done 3 years in the RAF and 1 operational tour.

    On here you will get lots of info about the Army, don't forget to speak to e-goat to get a view of the RAF.

    But I am sure we will all agree, don't bother with the Navy!
  8. Thanks for the replies everybody, seems I have a bit to be thinking about.
  9. Yes, yes, we all know that wearing RayBans whilst clutching a bag of Duty Frees and a Horror Box is undeniably glamorous. On the other hand, when you went to Bastion or Kandahar (or indeed Basra or Banja Luka) did you notice that the MH Nurses there were thousands of miles away from the nearest psychiatrist FOR THREE MONTHS? And that they and the AELO had a bit of input into the "when and how" that patient got back to UK? Not a specific pop at the RAF as I know they do tours as well, but lets not puff up Psych Aeromed into something it's not.

    Besides, with the exception of a bit of Taxpayer funded package tourism (and I've never understood why only one colour of uniform could do that) what's the major difference between the three services in terms of the way they employ MH Nurses nowadays? Two and even three colour FMHTs are not unheard of. The Navy is as good an option as the others, especially now everyone is managed by the same organisation (APHCS). The future's bright, the future's purple!
  10. That is weird but I don't remember a visiting psychiatrist or an AELO in Perth, Western Australia, or MPA, or Antigua, or Calgary, or Montevideo, or Mumbai, or . . . . . . . Many aeromeds originate in places with no local military facilities or indeed on occasion local civillian facilities. Yes, there are times when it is "tax payer funded tourism" but I tend to concentrate on getting the ill serviceman home as I am very rarely anywhere long enough to 'enjoy the sights".

    I don't deny the fantastic job that my colleagues in the Army fulfil, but last time I looked the RAF did that role too, and the reason I mentioned "not the Navy" is because of the potential postings in the UK.

    Look forward to seeing you (or possibly seeing you again) on an Aeormed, tri-service get together or where ever we bump into each other.

  11. When I was in Basrah there was no Army CPN it was a single RAF Flt Lt and he spent his time there Heli hopping from The Shatt, The Palace, Al amarah and god knows where else, must have been hard for him as he was deployed singularly for a few weeks at a time, had no accommodation no psychiatrist support. Then stuck about after his tour ex to aeromed some lads home to save them sending someone else out as one of the patients had to have a CPN escort. But still we all had a job to do and that was his for that period of time and may well have been the same for a member of the Qaranc on another occasion. As long as people are given the care they need in reasonable time scales and everyone is doing the best job they can and then there is a lot of pride to be had in that. It would be interesting if I joined the Army as I am aeromed trained from my time in the RAF I wonder if the Q-FNA would still be acknowledged?
  12. Yes, the consultant psychiatrist visits Bastion every Tuesday and does a clinic between 9 and 3 before popping over to the Pizza Hut prior to catching the bus back to Aldershot.

    I don't doubt you do you best to get people back quickly and efficiently, but I'll have to confess to having a few negative experiences with Aeromed. I once went to Heathrow to collect a patient to find that the person (fortunately now retired from the RAF) who had escorted him from the Far East had abandoned him by the information desk because we were delayed by an accident on the motorway. I also know that people come from wild and wonderful places, but in another life (before I went MH) I nearly tore my hair out with frustration over the obstructive attitude of the Aeromed Cell. They refused to give authorisation to emplane a patient because he hadn't been seen by a Doctor (there was no one available who could speak English in a reasonable timeframe or for a reasonable amount of cash). Then they refused to send the Aeromed escorts on an internal flight in the country in question, but told me that under no circumstances was I to escort him myself! I did in the end.

    I should say however that the service overall has been pretty good, but I really needed to get that off my chest.

    I feel better now.
  13. I completely agree that some people in the Aeromed process are very "by the book" but my personal opinion has always been that until all the patients read "the book" they won't comply.

    I am old enough to remember when Mental Health Aeromed was predominantly controlled by mental health professionals and we went out of our way to be where we were needed, as soon as we were needed and to escort the patient door to door. I can not remember ever just walking away from a patient until I was satisfied that they were in safe hands which means that I have travelled on with them from LHR to Inverness, Culdrose (by car) etc.

    Unfortunately this is not always possible now for reasons way above my pay band. I have personal opinions which lots of people who didn't get out of my way quick enough have got to know about. However this is not the forum for them.

    I agree that the future for MH is purple but the past was too! Remember Catterick, that was pretty purple to the best of my memory and we worked as a tri-service team working for the benefit of tri-service patients.

    I for one try to meet up with and cooperate with my colleagues across the spectrum whenever I can be it with reference to a specific patient's care or matters of the moment.

    Try not to judge the whole of the Blue based on one ex-RAF nurse (though I would LOVE to know who it was lol) and I won't judge the whole of the Green based on one ex-Army officer I once worked for.