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Covid Vaccine Guinea Pigs?

Will you get the vaccine?

  • Yes - Give it to me

    Votes: 80 50.0%
  • No - Let nature take it's course

    Votes: 18 11.3%
  • I'll let other people get it first - then wait and see how it all pans out!

    Votes: 62 38.8%

  • Total voters
    160
There is also some evidence that those who have received adjuvant immunotherapy have developed immunity to Covid 19.
Those studies are ongoing according to my wife’s oncologist last week. She is well aware of them, but said she was professionally bound to say nowt until the time is right.
Fair enough.
Paradoxically, if proven, it could lead to a situation where the wife, with a severely compromised immune system, is less at risk from Covid than myself.
 
Can you really put corona in the same context ?
Why have we no vaccination against say Aids? Might help some on here.. Just saying..
AIDS now has a form of prophylaxis, the name of which escapes me, and it can largely be controlled.

ETA: PEP.

 
Wait till we all get microchipped...that is really what is going happen if you get the vaccine...but shhh. Heard that from a bloke who read on the interwebby.
 
has the U.K. gone away from herd immunity (without a vaccine) officially??

would that be Boris’s excuse for not getting the vaccine as he has had covid?

Herd immunity without a vaccine basically meant let (just about) everyone catch it. He just didn’t want to say that.

Lockdown measures were only intended to slow down the rate of transmission so that the medical services could cope.
 

WightMivvi

War Hero
has the U.K. gone away from herd immunity (without a vaccine) officially??

would that be Boris’s excuse for not getting the vaccine as he has had covid?
Ah, nice to see you peddling one of the “Boris Grrrr” myths.

Can you please point to the UK law / policy / announcement that states that herd immunity was official UK government policy.

Or shall I assume you’re just ignorant of how the UK government works. Ideas are put forward, they are assessed and discussed and then the vast majority (such as “herd immunity”) are thrown out. This is a normal part of UK government.

In the MOD, they used to be called “Alternative Assumptions” and were part of everyday policy / finance work. Many of them are pie-in-the-sky or hugely controversial ideas but they are still staffed, investigated, costed, politically assessed and discussed.

Just because something is discussed doesn’t make it policy.

If you want more education of how government departments work, I’ll quite happily let you know (as long as I don’t feel it’ll breach the OSA).
 
So when I get microchipped, as well as Doris telling me what to do, I'll have the government controlling me, wonderful, I hope the voice in my head is sexy female.
 

WightMivvi

War Hero
You don't get a choice with Government imaginary voices.
Hmm. I forgot that. We’ll also need to factor in the need to move jobs to deprived areas plus increase representation of minority groups.
That means the voice will be of a one-lunged paraplegic deaf lesbian Jamaican who was born a man and has lived in Glasgow for 30 years...
 
Those studies are ongoing according to my wife’s oncologist last week. She is well aware of them, but said she was professionally bound to say nowt until the time is right.
Fair enough.
Paradoxically, if proven, it could lead to a situation where the wife, with a severely compromised immune system, is less at risk from Covid than myself.

This is unlikely to be true. Antibodies raised by MMR vaccine (and BCG etc) are not cross reactive against Sars-cov-2.


The study people are referring to (link below) finds, maybe, a correlation but that's a lot different from showing MMR vaccination is causally related to reduced severity of COVID. The groups they are comparing are small and not matched for important factors (eg age) that significantly affect COVID disease course. On top of that the authors haven't looked at patients who got MMR as adults to see the effect on COVID, which would be important to know.

The flaws in this study, combined with the lack of translational evidence for a biological effect, and flaws in the previous work looking for protective effect of BCG on COVID, make it unlikely that MMR vaccination is a useful prophylaxis for COVID - especially when actual biologically active vaccines are so close.

(From what I can tell the lead author runs an animal shelter and the other authors are generally not experts in this subject)


There is some evidence that childhood vaccinations offer benefits in immunity to other diseases but that is pretty fuzzy and not a rationale for using them in COVID.
 
Wait till we all get microchipped...that is really what is going happen if you get the vaccine...but shhh. Heard that from a bloke who read on the interwebby.

Always makes me laugh how the kind of people spouting all that across social media think that their lives are of any significance that the government would bother themselves with chipping and monitoring them. The only people interested in snooping on them are advertising companies who are already doing it through their smartphone, Amazon Echo, Smart TV, games consoles and online shopping habits.
 
This is unlikely to be true. Antibodies raised by MMR vaccine (and BCG etc) are not cross reactive against Sars-cov-2.


The study people are referring to (link below) finds, maybe, a correlation but that's a lot different from showing MMR vaccination is causally related to reduced severity of COVID. The groups they are comparing are small and not matched for important factors (eg age) that significantly affect COVID disease course. On top of that the authors haven't looked at patients who got MMR as adults to see the effect on COVID, which would be important to know.

The flaws in this study, combined with the lack of translational evidence for a biological effect, and flaws in the previous work looking for protective effect of BCG on COVID, make it unlikely that MMR vaccination is a useful prophylaxis for COVID - especially when actual biologically active vaccines are so close.

(From what I can tell the lead author runs an animal shelter and the other authors are generally not experts in this subject)


There is some evidence that childhood vaccinations offer benefits in immunity to other diseases but that is pretty fuzzy and not a rationale for using them in COVID.
I think I’ve understood at least the gist of your post.
The study I was talking about is the potential immunity in those, like my wife, who have received, or are receiving, adjuvant immunotherapy for cancer and, as you no doubt know better than myself, the so-called Covid vaccines are based on the same principle as immunotherapy.
BioNTech is a company that specialises in immunotherapy.
 
I think I’ve understood at least the gist of your post.
The study I was talking about is the potential immunity in those, like my wife, who have received, or are receiving, adjuvant immunotherapy for cancer and, as you no doubt know better than myself, the so-called Covid vaccines are based on the same principle as immunotherapy.
BioNTech is a company that specialises in immunotherapy.

Oh I see. Apologies, that is something slightly different. I am working at the moment on a therapy using checkpoint inhibitors (which is probably what your wife is receiving?) in combination with a cell therapy. The immune checkpoints are important in reining in the immune system, so inhibiting those checkpoints can allow a better immune response against cancer.

I actually don't about the study you're referring to. I'll have a look.
 

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