Covid Passports - Yay or ney?

Should we have have Covid passports?


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Yep. Vaccines developed the real scientific way take 15-20 years, but they do work. Get the smallpox or polio jabs, never worry about those things again, and never worry if anyone nearby has had them, because you’re protected. For the rest of your life.

Now we have “The Science” which rapidly produces jabs that don’t work and you have to keep having them and anyone who makes this observation is an “anti-vaxxer”. Weird, right? And by sheer coincidence a huge money-spinner for various huge corporations, and a vote-winner for all kinds of previously taboo laws and policies.
Not all the time...11-year old schoolboy gets a BCG vaccination ! A year later,the same schoolboy contracts Skeletal TB and, spends over 6 months in Hospital and over a year of Physio.

Shit happens, one boy gets TB...millions more don't. Said schoolboy considered himself lucky everytime he visited a friend in an Iron Lung,,,who had the Salk Vaccine in the mid 50's.

Strange that the number of Vax conspiracy theorists are getting smaller,after see fellow theorists dying of Covid (which isn't really that serious or, I won't catch it 'cos I'm super fit) ? :rolleyes:
 
Yep. Vaccines developed the real scientific way take 15-20 years, but they do work. Get the smallpox or polio jabs, never worry about those things again, and never worry if anyone nearby has had them, because you’re protected. For the rest of your life.

Now we have “The Science” which rapidly produces jabs that don’t work and you have to keep having them and anyone who makes this observation is an “anti-vaxxer”. Weird, right? And by sheer coincidence a huge money-spinner for various huge corporations, and a vote-winner for all kinds of previously taboo laws and policies.
Which jabs don’t work?

Remember, the historic vaccines you talk of took 10 to 20 years to work because ‘the science’ wasn’t there to begin with. They were stumbled on and rolled out in an ineffective manner.

Who’s making the money out of the Covid jabs? Astra Zeneca certainly isn’t. It’s producing at cost.
 
Yep. Vaccines developed the real scientific way take 15-20 years, but they do work.
Well these vaccines work too - they are not perfect but no vaccine is (see below). The reason that vaccines normally take so long to develop is that there isn’t actually that big an amount of profit in them. Vaccines usually take billions to develop and reap only millions in profits. You also need lab time, animals, computer time, analysts - oh and a **** ton of volunteers for the testing cohort. These all take time - in these vaccines everything was thrown at it, at once and with no diversion of resources to more profitable antacid pills

Get the smallpox or polio jabs, never worry about those things again, and never worry if anyone nearby has had them, because you’re protected. For the rest of your life.
The real world effectiveness of vaccines on the UK vaccine schedule vary from 40 to 99%.
Now we have “The Science” which rapidly produces jabs that don’t work
They do - that has been shown in repeated trials cited on this and other threads.
and you have to keep having them
Check out how many polio jabs you need before you are pretty much guaranteed full protection (spoiler alert -for the NHS it is 5). Oh and have a look at the effectiveness of the small pox jab (Spoiler alert - 95%. Not much higher than that of the Covid vaccines against the original strain).

Oh and I am up to MMR jab number 6 now - because protection fades and the military wanted to make sure with me for some reason.
and anyone who makes this observation is an “anti-vaxxer”. Weird, right? And by sheer coincidence a huge money-spinner for various huge corporations,
At least one vaccine is being provided at cost (with no profits) and others have promised to reinvest any profits into developing other vaccines AND providing the vaccine to third world countries.
and a vote-winner for all kinds of previously taboo laws and policies.
Weird how governments from across the spectrum have all made pretty much the same decisions on this eh?
 
Weird how governments from across the spectrum have all made pretty much the same decisions on this eh?

Not actually weird at all - all governments want bigger governments.


Table on page 13 - aged 40-49 you are twice as likely to get COVID having been double-vaxxed vs unvaxxed. So we all took an injection that suppressed our immune systems. Bloody brilliant.
 
Not actually weird at all - all governments want bigger governments.


Table on page 13 - aged 40-49 you are twice as likely to get COVID having been double-vaxxed vs unvaxxed. So we all took an injection that suppressed our immune systems. Bloody brilliant.
You broken-brained old fool - it doesnt talk about likelihood at all. It talks of the disease prevalence - and the result is multifactorial - but not of severity.
 
Not actually weird at all - all governments want bigger governments.


Table on page 13 - aged 40-49 you are twice as likely to get COVID having been double-vaxxed vs unvaxxed. So we all took an injection that suppressed our immune systems. Bloody brilliant.
Loving how you appear to have gained a degree in immunology through You Tube University.
 
Not actually weird at all - all governments want bigger governments.


Table on page 13 - aged 40-49 you are twice as likely to get COVID having been double-vaxxed vs unvaxxed. So we all took an injection that suppressed our immune systems. Bloody brilliant.
Obviously the immune systems of 40 to 49 year olds is not suppressed if you look at the next couple of tables.

It is almost as if you are cherry picking data without bothering to use critical thinking.
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Which jabs don’t work?

Remember, the historic vaccines you talk of took 10 to 20 years to work because ‘the science’ wasn’t there to begin with. They were stumbled on and rolled out in an ineffective manner.

Who’s making the money out of the Covid jabs? Astra Zeneca certainly isn’t. It’s producing at cost.
Which vaccine has the UK Gov bought for booster shots?
Which vaccine is being dropped by 'Straylia' largely due to bad press and many in the EU as well?
 
Which vaccine has the UK Gov bought for booster shots?
Which vaccine is being dropped by 'Straylia' largely due to bad press and many in the EU as well?
Would that be the German developed (royalties paid ) and German manufactured (tax on revenue generated) vaccine.

I don’t think this is government related. This is big pharma and their mates in the german government and the EU effectively using their friends in the media to boost profits.

Or maybe they’re using the ones they’ve already agreed to contractually purchase.

I ended up getting the Moderna jab. Not out of choice, that’s the only one they had. I did ask for the AstraZeneca vaccine as it was getting targetted in the media at the time.

I’ve made the conscious decision now to only receive the astrazeneca jab for a booster.
 
Yep, it's one huge NWO and Big Pharma conspiracy. And the covid vaccines don't protect, do they, as they are just trials?

@Bob65 - and what do you mean by 'real science' versus 'The Science"? Is it the ability to undertake, inter alia, Big Data numerical modelling that didn't exist 10 years ago?

Real science is, well, science as normal people understand it. Do experiments, make observations, see how well the results match your models/hypotheses, revise your models and try again, and so on. And if the results don't match at all, bin the models and start again. Or the modellers.

The Science is scotch eggs, rule of 6, 2 metres distance, standing up vs sitting down, self-isolation and quarantine for plebs but not VIPs, wearing a mask that you repeatedly touch all day and above all you must Trust The Science, especially where The Science and your first hand observations of the world differ.
 
Real science is, well, science as normal people understand it. Do experiments, make observations, see how well the results match your models/hypotheses, revise your models and try again, and so on. And if the results don't match at all, bin the models and start again. Or the modellers.
Are you suggesting the companies, the universities, the labs, the T&E regulators, UKAS, MHRA etc don't follow recognised scientific method?
 
Are you suggesting the companies, the universities, the labs, the T&E regulators, UKAS, MHRA etc don't follow recognised scientific method?

Perhaps some of them do internally, but could you look anyone in the eye and say Neil Ferguson and Imperial College have any track record of doing so?

Real science would make the observation that this man is wrong about everything, all the time, and stop basing policy on his insane utterances. Real science would provide some evidence for the 2-metre rule or the rule of 6 or covid hovering at head height, or the seeming immunity from spreading it being a football or climate change VIP gives you that a vaccine does not. There's no real science behind any of it, only The Science.

Incidentally real science advised against vaccinating schoolchildren, but The Science won and so they're going to do it anyway...
 
Obviously the immune systems of 40 to 49 year olds is not suppressed if you look at the next couple of tables.
I have been thinking about the first table and the cherry picked item. Are we not looking at the outworking of vaccinated people with a greatly lessened chance of a bad outcome being out and about and being infected compared with the unvaccinated (who must include those who would wish to be vaccinated but cannot and therefore are still cautious).
 

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