They can’t keep the furlough scheme in place indefinitely. They’ve kept it in place for long enough now to get vaccinations to a large enough number of the population that’s most likely to die from Covid.I understand your points, but will your government be able to keep the furlough scheme in place indefinitely? At what point do you decide that the risk of COVID is in fact not worth the actual harm it inflicts? Would you shut down a country when the odds of surviving this bug are in fact greater than 97 percent? At what point do you decide to make the tough choices or keep on punting and hoping the damage is not permanent?
One could also say the costs of COVID are going to to hurt your country badly, when it comes to things like defence spending.
I’m with Boris on this one. One of the worst mistakes the U.K. made was devolving responsibility .Here in north wales the covid situation is being very well handled as the number of vaccinated people increase at an impressive pace just 2 weeks ago the number of new cases in several areas was in the hundreds we are going to get swamped again as restrictions are eased (it happened in the autumn and caused a 2 week firebreak lockdown) vaccine passports should be shown at the english border just for our own protection
I know April fools is over now, but does that necessarily mean we can start believing the government again ?
It's cos I is got the plague innit ?No because it's racist or some human rights shit .
Federal it now covers all ages starting from 16, so if you get her back she can have it, and depending on which one she gets she can get the 2nd shot before returning to her studies. ( 1 month ). And hey illegals are getting vaccinated so she should get her entitlement.So here's a question: When are they proposing that this might start?
Its just that the female child is in the UK at uni at the moment with a ticket to return back here in June. We told her to go off down the local Doc's and ask if she should/could get one before travel and she informs that they told her they would give her a call. Yeah, right.
You latched onto that little hobby horse didn't you.Do you feel that any of those discriminate against you? For example, do you feel discriminated against that you have to have a driving licence to drive a car? (Incidentally, chances are you had to pay for that privilege. Nobody is asking you to pay to have a vaccine.)
The vaccine passport is going to have a cost. That cost however pales into insignificance compared with the costs associated with allowing a contagious, new to mankind virus run wild.You latched onto that little hobby horse didn't you.
Well its nice to know that you cant be discriminated against unless you're a particular ethnicity or religious group and certainly not if you can't drive, of a certain age or of a differing political outlook or personal view.
Yep that's me told clearly I'm stupid (obviously intellect doesn't fit your list either) but I don't agree with some of what you say.
And currently no one is asking for money for a vaccine passport, but then driving licenses we're for life until the photocard ones came in and suddenly every 10 years you get to buy a new one, unless the DVLA screw up and give you 15 years and a lifetime HGV license without any medical required (cheers easy).
And currently no one is asking for money for a vaccine but currently they are sold at cost and will be until the WHO declares the Pandemic over then its retail all they way baby.
There's no such thing as a free lunch and a vaccine passport scheme is going to cost and you're going to need a whole new CS Dept to run it and have offices with staff and managers and some sort of enforcement arm unless you plan on devolving those powers the the Police or local Councils (who will naturally need financial incentives) and then there's legislation to support it and all for what exactly?
Everything shows that the worst the vaccinated can expect if they catch Batflu is a bit of a cold, you wont die and it's very unlikely you'd end up in hospital, so the only person at any real risk is the one who decided not to have the vaccine, so if they die (around 0.2% chance) its their own fault.
Or they pass it to another unvaccinated person who has also made the choice not to have the vaccine so again, own fault.
Or as a vaccinated person you happen to have it and presumably be unaware your sick or you'd be tucked up in bed unless your trying to kill people (asymptomatic cases described as very rare (not 'rare') by BMJ and other studies say doesn't exist at all) and pass it to the unvaccinated person. Even though its their choice your level of altruism is so great you cannot face that possibility of killing another by your inaction.
In which case I imagine your support group already has enough guilt to contend with what with that bout of chicken pox/flu/mumps/measles you had when you were 7 going on to kill countless others and you cant sleep at night as a result.
And how many of those do you have to present on a daily basis in order to go about your business?I've got a passport
I've got a driving licence
I've got a bus pass
I've got numerous bank cards and credit cards
I've got membership cards in abundance
I've got store cards
A covid 'passport' ain't gonna make me any more visible than those.
Obviously job dependant but I can think of common examples where I have to, or have had regularly show.And how many of those do you have to present on a daily basis in order to go about your business?
Obviously job dependant but I can think of common examples where I have to, or have had regularly show.
Membership card etc etc.
additional material I’ve had to show is.
proof of income.
Proof of insurance.
Proof over ownership.
Proof of educational qualifications held.
Proof of a criminal records check
Proof of betting status.
There’s a massive reluctance to national ID cards in the U.K. for political reasons. There always has been. The last tome we rolled them out was WW2 out of necessity. Churchill abhorred them and promised they were a war time necessity as he recognised that they were against British civil liberties and would be defunct as soon as they weren’t needed.Well if we're going to do this why not go the whole nine yards? National biometric ID card, fully secure. Need to show it to travel on public transport and to enter any public building. Need to present it along with any form of payment, if you remember the old "cheque guarantee" cards (never had one myself but my parents did) except even with cash. Required to show it on demand to any official, any of whom can pull up all your records, and spot checks on workplaces to make sure everyone has theirs. And you better have it on you when an ambulance picks you up or they'll leave you where you lie. Sound far fetched? Maybe that last one, but where would you draw the line? Because once the investment is made in rolling out national COVID passports, it will be leveraged and reused for everything else, why wouldn't it be? And even if you trust this government not to abuse it, do you trust all future governments?
A vaccination certificate that's a just crappy piece of paper or cardboard obviously not meant to last with no personally identifiable data would be acceptable and not open to abuse, I hope that's what they settle on.
That's the sticking point though, modern technology is such that once it's been introduced I suspect that it will suit the authorities to keep them running and maybe bolt on extras as time goes on. Certainly I can see them being extended each time a new variant or vaccine is produced, so that'll keep them going for a few years.Both times that national ID cards have been introduced in the U.K. have been in response to a significant external threats. The first time in WW1, the second time in WW2.
Both times they’ve been introduced they been withdrawn at the earliest possible opportunity.
If we look at passports for example, the main purpose of a passport is to prove in an internationally recognised manner, who you are and what rights you should be afforded whilst abroad.
A temporary Covid passport is the same. It should prove that you’ve vaccinated and you should be afforded the right not to be treated as a potential health risk to the community. Edited for brevity.
Instead we're now told that the vaccines aren't 100% effective (Which ones are?) and that as a result the restrictions and potential for another lockdown cannot be ruled out.
I have a grudging admiration for Prof Ferguson, he seems to have been wrong about everything he's been asked to opine on, Foot and Mouth, bird flu, swine fever etc. He has so little belief in his own predictions that he was quite happy for his piece on the side to bimble across London for a bunk up at a time, when according to his ideas, she may as well been playing Russian Roulette with a Luger.That Dr Fauci - who seems to be the American equivalent of our Neil Ferguson - is now claiming that there is a new variant that "evades the test" and so masks must continue to be worn. It's clever that COVID, like it can tell if you're eating a scotch egg or a substantial meal and knows when to infect you.
And the just plain feckless ones that mask up but feel the need to pull it down to talk......
Personally, I don't mind this new way of working & living, I've took to it easily and it doesn't feel particularly onerous or restrictive.
Why a certainty? There was no immediate spike last summer when restrictions lifted.Will there be a 'spike' when the restrictions are lifted? I'd say it's a racing certainty; more people out and about it's likely to happen.
You could be immune and not tell anyone.I think its worth reminding people here that- a significant part of the population quite like the idea of 'furlough', are happy to spend another summer in their hot tubs on 80% pay, and probably view it as not being in their best interests to becoming more immune.
Several commentators bollock on about how Yellow Fever certificates exist and thus the idea of covid passports aren't exceptional or new.A vaccination certificate that's a just crappy piece of paper or cardboard obviously not meant to last with no personally identifiable data would be acceptable and not open to abuse, I hope that's what they settle on.