Covid disinformation in the BAME community
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Mike Barton
LE
I do get a bit impatient with people whether they be in the white working class or BAME communities who reject vaccines because they believe they are a part of some plot by the Man to do them down.
Look, see all those nice, successful, wealthy, white middle class people? What are those privileged people doing? Well, er, it seems like they are queuing up to get this free vaccine provided by the government, they can't get it fast enough.
The government is handing something out free, the white middle classes are falling over themselves to avail of it.
You can have it for free too, all you have to do is go get it.
But you don't want it.
Maybe there's a reason you haven't been as successful in life as those middle class white people, and maybe they aren't entirely to blame for your misfortune.
Look, see all those nice, successful, wealthy, white middle class people? What are those privileged people doing? Well, er, it seems like they are queuing up to get this free vaccine provided by the government, they can't get it fast enough.
The government is handing something out free, the white middle classes are falling over themselves to avail of it.
You can have it for free too, all you have to do is go get it.
But you don't want it.
Maybe there's a reason you haven't been as successful in life as those middle class white people, and maybe they aren't entirely to blame for your misfortune.
triggerigger
LE
Have you ever worked on construction sites or production maintenance?
Not much bame to be seen at the tool face. Most of the sparkies I known (mainly industrial) have never stopped. Maintenance at pharmaceutical sites hasn't stopped maintenance at hospitals hasn't stopped. I had part of March and part of April off haven't stopped since. Lots of work carried out when the lines were stopped in other production sites. We is bally heroes and need some reparations or compo or something. Gibs me it.
My City is in the top ten CV19 hotspots. I can state that our area's with high minorities (Note: this includes IC1 foreigners, so it's not a race thing) has just about zero compliance with Cv19 rules.
I would question that. Last year my income was the most I've ever made in a year, and its noticeably below the national average. So I can hardly be considered middle class. I've been screaming for the vaccine for as long as its been about. When I got my shot I was getting frustrated with all the 'Are you sure you want the vaccine' questions, and just wanted it in my arm. Of the 20 or so white working class types in my job only one was vaccine hesitant, and he'd already caught it (but obeying the CV19 rules stopped it from ripping through our workplace... funny that!). He relented later and had the vaccine.
So from my POV the problem is people not obeying the rules. And there seems to be some other factor. It can't be intelligence levels, as I would venture the Foreign workers who have learned some of a language and had the drive to get up and move to a foreign country would require a certain level of intelligence to do so.
I'd bet its a combination of factors, but I've not got an idea what it is.
Higher risk of exposure: hospital care and support staff, transportation (uber drivers etc)
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Ryder02
LE
From conversations with some of those dealing I know that there is a drive for anyone not officially registered in any way (be they here legally or not) to get the jab.
I am not sure how this is being done, but it is reassuring that efforts are underway. How successful this will be is unknown.
As others have suggested the Venn diagram of those refusing Covid vaccine would probably look like something MC Escher would draw. My concern is that those dealing with the clinically vulnerable in Health and Social care have maximum uptake. As far as I can tell, efforts are in place and hopefully will be successful.
I am not sure how this is being done, but it is reassuring that efforts are underway. How successful this will be is unknown.
As others have suggested the Venn diagram of those refusing Covid vaccine would probably look like something MC Escher would draw. My concern is that those dealing with the clinically vulnerable in Health and Social care have maximum uptake. As far as I can tell, efforts are in place and hopefully will be successful.
Up here, all citizens should have a CHI number, community health index. A 10digit number, first 6 being DoB.
There's various legitimate reasons for not having one, (moved from rUK, not registered with a doctor, name change etc)
However our recording system has been changed to allow us to vaccinate those without a CHI.
lastwalt
LE
Out of idle curiosity, how do you record that they have been vaccinated? Is there a way of ensuring that they also get the 2nd vaccination?
We're using a dedicated bit of software called the vaccine management tool.
Simple to use and does integrate with GPs practice management systems.
I had my first at a health centre (not my own, but one I was working at) and 2nd to use up some spare when out in the community.
Have since checked with GP and both doses recorded on their system.
2nd doses is a mixture of methods
Care homes and care at home are simple, we just go back 8-12 weeks later.
GPs will send out lists in the same manner.
What might be trickier is the likes of health and social care staff who self booked into our clinics, they will have to be grown up and respond to the invites sent out.
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vvaannmmaann
LE
The BBC have made a link between poverty and poor uptake of the vaccine.
Is Covid at risk of becoming a disease of the poor?
Lower vaccine uptake coupled with higher infection rates could scar communities for years to come.
www.bbc.co.uk
Whiskybreath
MIA
I take it you mean a mixture of vaccines; has that been fully Approved in the conventional way? Sounds good to me, mind. I'm due my second next month, but expect (wife's a volunteer at the centre) to get the same Pfizer jollop as before.
Whiskybreath
MIA
Frankly, my heart pumps pure purple piddle for them. I won't justify that statement with a windy, empathetic and sociologically-korrekt explanation.The BBC have made a link between poverty and poor uptake of the vaccine.
Is Covid at risk of becoming a disease of the poor?
Lower vaccine uptake coupled with higher infection rates could scar communities for years to come.www.bbc.co.uk
ExREME.TECH
LE
At one time Alum 'Rock had the most convicted/dead/suspected terrorists that most of the UK together,The BBC have made a link between poverty and poor uptake of the vaccine.
Is Covid at risk of becoming a disease of the poor?
Lower vaccine uptake coupled with higher infection rates could scar communities for years to come.www.bbc.co.uk
There are many cases the security services have let us to know about, I bet there are hundreds more
Remember this one?
Birmingham man who plotted beheading of British soldier is jailed for life
Parviz Khan planned to lure a soldier off the streets with the promise of drugs and then film his execution
Mixture of recall methods, currently has to be same vaccine each dose.
When I open up someone's record to give 2nd dose, it tells me what the first dose was
The report is based on a variety of studies by NHS, DHSC, DsPH; all come to the same conclusion. If you are poor and BAME, you are more likely to become seriously ill with Covid-19 and less likely to take the vaccine. Poverty is, though, a shorthand for a variety of conditions, such as poor and crowded housing, which contributes to this outcome.The BBC have made a link between poverty and poor uptake of the vaccine.
Is Covid at risk of becoming a disease of the poor?
Lower vaccine uptake coupled with higher infection rates could scar communities for years to come.www.bbc.co.uk
lastwalt
LE
Thanks, but I realise that I wasn’t very clear. What I meant was, those without CHI numbers. Is there a dedicated part of the system for recording and recalling them?
They are on by name and date of birth.
The vaccine management tool records where they were vaccinated, so recall would be appropriate to that location.
Have not come across any when vaccinating yet.
For comparison, In my dental clinics, have over 3 thousand records and only a handful without CHI. We can easily retrieve them from that so don't think vaccine would be any different.
It was made clear today that my second vaccine was the same type (Pfizer) as my first and my little card indicated both batch numbers.
Whiskybreath
MIA
Yes, @Fang_Farrier made that clearer in his response above. I would think that without a well-publicised statement on the subject, it wouldn't happen for fear of armed insurrection - just getting a similar procedure to the smallpox, polio, yellow fever etc stuff seems to arouse deep-seated anxieties, aggressions and terrors in some of our superbly-educated populace (you can bet that a significant percentage of the communities take the occasional holiday back in their 'old country' once in a while, and they ain't getting in there without evidence of innoculation).
retread2
LE
Yers. There appears to be a page missing from my dictionary.
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