Covid disinformation in the BAME community

anglo

LE
I just sat in on a seminar with on healthcare inequalities - as a function of race, religion, education and income. These are realities; not some BBC 'woke' campaign as implied by @devexwarrior. And simply suggesting that these people are 'stupid' doesn't improve the outcomes...or perhaps that's what you want? Eh, @anglo ?

"I just sat in on a seminar with on healthcare inequalities"

I'm impressed, only your opinion must be correct then


What is the difference between a BAME person that doesn't want to take the vaccine jab
and a white person that doesn't want to take the vaccine jab?
Why are you treating them different?, as they both don't want the vaccine jab
As you are having a campaign to encourage the BAME to take the vaccine jab
and not the whites, are you not inferring that they are stupid by default
Why not just say we will encourage all to take the jab?
The BAME have already been told that they are more susceptible to Covid-19
it is up to them whether they take the vaccine or not
You are actually judging them to different standards to the whites
which is an insult to them
The BAME are susceptible to the Covid-19,why not just find out why and
find a cure for it, maybe it's because the powers that be, don't want to say
there is a difference in make up, between BAME and white people
That would be Racist, wouldn't it


As for the excuses
Race,
Is what make the BAME people susceptible to Covid-19

Religion,
Covid-19 doesn't care what religion you are


Education
More or less equal,
Differential educational achievement by ethnicity refers to the fact that pupils from some ethnic backgrounds perform better in school than others. ... Black pupils statistically underperform in school while pupils of Indian or Chinese heritage often “over-perform”.
We know that on average boys consistently underperform against girls, and white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds underperform against boys of all other races and ethnicities. I will reel off some statistics: by age five, white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds are already 13% behind disadvantaged black boys and 23% behind disadvantaged Asian girls in their phonics, for example; only around a third of white working-class boys pass their maths and English GCSEs; disadvantaged white working-class boys are 40% less likely to go into higher education than disadvantaged black boys; and in fact, according to UCAS, only 9% of these boys will go to university, compared with around half of the general population.

Income.
COVID-19 is not bothered how much money it's victims have in the bank

It's not me who is treating the BAME people different and implying they are stupid,
if I was you I'd look home first.
 
With a few exceptions such as sickle cell, how does race, religion and education play a part.
Income I can well believe.
Cultural approaches, I suppose, is a shorthand version (eg HMO, digital poverty, language barriers, basic understanding). But there is a high correlation between levels of infection and mortality, and those indices, which can't be ignored if the UK is going to control the virus through mass vaccination.

For example, try to explain the difference between asymptomatic and symptomatic testing policy to a very anxious person who walks into a local test site, who perhaps has reason to fear 'officials' and is told to go away untested, having come to the test site because there are other members of that person's extended family displaying symptoms.
 
Trust; people with very different cultural, racial, educational, 'religious' histories tend to be wary of those who don't share their experience. I don't trust the friggin French, for instance, or much of anything their national leaders say.

I think most of that is made up as a convenient excuse to avoid saying that people are thick as shit.

Israel (Jewish) has the highest vaccine take up rate in the world.

Seychelles (Black/Brown) has the second highest vaccine take up rate in the world.

UAE (Muslim) has the third highest vaccine take up rate in the world.

But in the UK excuses are made for spastics due to their minority status.
 
"I just sat in on a seminar with on healthcare inequalities"

I'm impressed, only your opinion must be correct then


What is the difference between a BAME person that doesn't want to take the vaccine jab
and a white person that doesn't want to take the vaccine jab?
Why are you treating them different?, as they both don't want the vaccine jab
As you are having a campaign to encourage the BAME to take the vaccine jab
and not the whites, are you not inferring that they are stupid by default
Why not just say we will encourage all to take the jab?
The BAME have already been told that they are more susceptible to Covid-19
it is up to them whether they take the vaccine or not
You are actually judging them to different standards to the whites
which is an insult to them
The BAME are susceptible to the Covid-19,why not just find out why and
find a cure for it, maybe it's because the powers that be, don't want to say
there is a difference in make up, between BAME and white people
That would be Racist, wouldn't it


As for the excuses
Race,
Is what make the BAME people susceptible to Covid-19

Religion,
Covid-19 doesn't care what religion you are


Education
More or less equal,
Differential educational achievement by ethnicity refers to the fact that pupils from some ethnic backgrounds perform better in school than others. ... Black pupils statistically underperform in school while pupils of Indian or Chinese heritage often “over-perform”.
We know that on average boys consistently underperform against girls, and white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds underperform against boys of all other races and ethnicities. I will reel off some statistics: by age five, white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds are already 13% behind disadvantaged black boys and 23% behind disadvantaged Asian girls in their phonics, for example; only around a third of white working-class boys pass their maths and English GCSEs; disadvantaged white working-class boys are 40% less likely to go into higher education than disadvantaged black boys; and in fact, according to UCAS, only 9% of these boys will go to university, compared with around half of the general population.

Income.
COVID-19 is not bothered how much money it's victims have in the bank

It's not me who is treating the BAME people different and implying they are stupid,
if I was you I'd look home first.
I'm pleased that your knowledge and critical analysis are greater that Professors Van Tam and Fenton. Please share your research with them; obviously they're quite new to this. And there is concern about WWC not taking the vaccine, along with the GRT community.
 
"I just sat in on a seminar with on healthcare inequalities"

I'm impressed, only your opinion must be correct then


What is the difference between a BAME person that doesn't want to take the vaccine jab
and a white person that doesn't want to take the vaccine jab?
Why are you treating them different?, as they both don't want the vaccine jab
As you are having a campaign to encourage the BAME to take the vaccine jab
and not the whites, are you not inferring that they are stupid by default
Why not just say we will encourage all to take the jab?
The BAME have already been told that they are more susceptible to Covid-19
it is up to them whether they take the vaccine or not
You are actually judging them to different standards to the whites
which is an insult to them
The BAME are susceptible to the Covid-19,why not just find out why and
find a cure for it, maybe it's because the powers that be, don't want to say
there is a difference in make up, between BAME and white people
That would be Racist, wouldn't it


As for the excuses
Race,
Is what make the BAME people susceptible to Covid-19

Religion,
Covid-19 doesn't care what religion you are


Education
More or less equal,
Differential educational achievement by ethnicity refers to the fact that pupils from some ethnic backgrounds perform better in school than others. ... Black pupils statistically underperform in school while pupils of Indian or Chinese heritage often “over-perform”.
We know that on average boys consistently underperform against girls, and white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds underperform against boys of all other races and ethnicities. I will reel off some statistics: by age five, white boys from disadvantaged backgrounds are already 13% behind disadvantaged black boys and 23% behind disadvantaged Asian girls in their phonics, for example; only around a third of white working-class boys pass their maths and English GCSEs; disadvantaged white working-class boys are 40% less likely to go into higher education than disadvantaged black boys; and in fact, according to UCAS, only 9% of these boys will go to university, compared with around half of the general population.

Income.
COVID-19 is not bothered how much money it's victims have in the bank

It's not me who is treating the BAME people different and implying they are stupid,
if I was you I'd look home first.
I'm pretty sure that a whole series of studies have taken place to get to the root of this issue, driven by political voices in the main, but also by more serious academic and medical needs. The answer is fairly clear; skin tint i'nt an issue. Maleness, obesity, diabetes, age and other underlying conditions is. I suppose that living and behaving in a manner conducive to easy transmission probably counts too, but the political profit to be made by the more squalid profiteers rises to the top of the mud.
 
I'm pretty sure that a whole series of studies have taken place to get to the root of this issue, driven by political voices in the main, but also by more serious academic and medical needs. The answer is fairly clear; skin tint i'nt an issue. Maleness, obesity, diabetes, age and other underlying conditions is. I suppose that living and behaving in a manner conducive to easy transmission probably counts too, but the political profit to be made by the more squalid profiteers rises to the top of the mud.
The order of indicators of co-morbidity are:

age, gender, racial group, obesity...
 
No excuses are being made at any official level; the approach is understand what the drivers and barriers are to hesitancy and how to persuade them to test and to have the vaccine.

I think the main barrier is not calling them spastics, like the majority of country does for Pier Corbyn and his bellend mates.
White people not taking it are viewed as twats, but BAME have other reasons.
 

anglo

LE
I'm pleased that your knowledge and critical analysis are greater that Professors Van Tam and Fenton. Please share your research with them; obviously they're quite new to this. And there is concern about WWC not taking the vaccine, along with the GRT community.
I'm pleased that your knowledge and critical analysis are greater that Professors Van Tam and Fenton

Where and when did I say that,

And there is concern about WWC not taking the vaccine, along with the GRT community.

You got a link for that
 
Christmas is a feast of celebration. Ramadan is a time of fast. Like Lent. Not quite the same.
Until Iftar, then its a time of absolutely stuff your face.
 
A couple of people have weighed in on this, not entirely incorrectly - but I think not quite right either.

BAME are dying more because of this disease. This is down to a number of factors - including but undoubtedly not limited to: cultural norms prevalent in their sub-cultures, disparity of educational attainment (lack of understanding), language barriers, cultural barriers, overcrowded housing, economic factors, medical factors (some diseases are over-represented in some BAME demographics), employment sector, etc - which lead them to be more exposed to the disease, more ignorant of it or more susceptible to it.

Some of these will be shared with some demographics of the white, Anglo-Saxon (whatever you want to call them, lets go with that label) community in the UK, some will be unique to certain BAME communities, some people will have multiple of these relating to their lifestyle, etc in the BAME community.

We also have the fact that certain demographics of the BAME community are distrustful of the vaccine. In this some of the above list might come into it - other demographics are of course (I’m looking at you Trump supporters) but as there are significant numbers of the BAME community working in the health and social care sectors then this should worry us.

I am sure that even the most cold hearted of ARRSE keyboard warrior would consider the preventible death of BAME elderly to be anything other than a tragedy - but if BAME carers are also spreading this disease to the elderly or clinically vulnerable (yes, the vaccine does prevent transmission - the numbers are in) then it is even more concerning. Anything to address this is helpful I think we can all agree.

To add - this is also being addressed to an extent in those communities with numbers of GENUINE community leaders helping to get the message across.
 
I posted this up in the BBC bias thread - dunno if it was posted across by anyone else.

 
A couple of people have weighed in on this, not entirely incorrectly - but I think not quite right either.

BAME are dying more because of this disease. This is down to a number of factors - including but undoubtedly not limited to: cultural norms prevalent in their sub-cultures, disparity of educational attainment (lack of understanding), language barriers, cultural barriers, overcrowded housing, economic factors, medical factors (some diseases are over-represented in some BAME demographics), employment sector, etc - which lead them to be more exposed to the disease, more ignorant of it or more susceptible to it.

Some of these will be shared with some demographics of the white, Anglo-Saxon (whatever you want to call them, lets go with that label) community in the UK, some will be unique to certain BAME communities, some people will have multiple of these relating to their lifestyle, etc in the BAME community.

We also have the fact that certain demographics of the BAME community are distrustful of the vaccine. In this some of the above list might come into it - other demographics are of course (I’m looking at you Trump supporters) but as there are significant numbers of the BAME community working in the health and social care sectors then this should worry us.

I am sure that even the most cold hearted of ARRSE keyboard warrior would consider the preventable death of BAME elderly to be anything other than a tragedy - but if BAME carers are also spreading this disease to the elderly or clinically vulnerable (yes, the vaccine does prevent transmission - the numbers are in) then it is even more concerning. Anything to address this is helpful I think we can all agree.

To add - this is also being addressed to an extent in those communities with numbers of GENUINE community leaders helping to get the message across.
As I think I mentioned in an earlier post, there are concerns that some WWC (White Working Class) communities are similarly vaccine-hesitant, and for some of the same reasons as the BAME cohort (lack of education, digital poverty, being thick, reluctance to register etc). WWC young women, it seems, are concerned about impact on fertility (there isn't any). The GRT (Gypsy, Roma and Traveller community) exhibit similar resistance to vaccination, using the logic of 'We've had it therefore no need to be tested nor vaccinated'...which would mean registering and sharing personal details with 'the authorities'...). I cite the reluctance to register for testing in Liverpool in November when the rumour circulated that swabs would be DNA-tested by the police, dropping take-up by 30%

No one in Government is making excuses for these hesitant communities, but by understanding these hesitancies, engagement strategies to increase levels of vaccinations are being developed. The local approach is working and we should be careful not to lump 'all' BAME together. Uptake within Indian communities is high, often exceeding that of the white population; then BritPaks and then Black communities, with further subdivisions between west Indian and African communities ( a Somali and a West Indian is not the same). There are also regional differences with registrations amongst eastern European communities; this is thought to be principally aversion to registering with 'the Authorities' (see also GRT)
 
I posted this up in the BBC bias thread - dunno if it was posted across by anyone else.

It has long been known that BAME are more likely to be in front line roles in higher-risk workplaces and not safely WFH, surfing Netflix and Pornhub.
 
It has long been known that BAME are more likely to be in front line roles in higher-risk workplaces and not safely WFH, surfing Netflix and Pornhub.
Sorry, how silly of me - these are not the BAMEs we're looking for.

Because all these BAMEs were following strict health guidelines, it's just the job thing.

Must be the other BAMEs that didn't take part in the report.
 

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