Courses - wiki page suggestion/ request

#1
As courses are always one of the top topics on here and the regular arrsers can understandably get a little narky when asked the same questions again and again by different posters, may I suggest that the subject experts put together a wiki page of all of the courses available/ theoretically available to the TA, the course quals etc and then add a sticky link from the TA forum.

A further idea on from that is an evolutionary flow chart to show what course qual' leads on to next/ which opportunities it opens up/ what courses one might need to obtain in order to get on to the course one really desires.

Just an idle thought whilst sat here twiddling my thumbs on a quiet Saurday at the office.
 
#2
That is why we employ Troop Commanders. It would be way too big to stay on top of. Ask your PSI.

This is a rumour service, not a job centre.

msr
 
#3
I take your point and I know we've gone over this before (hence my post) but surely the idea of Arrsepedia is to provide an albeit lighthearted guide to all things military.

To take your point to the extreme, if ARRSE is purely a rumour service, then half of the debates questions on here shouldn't even be discussed (especially in light of Cpunks missive on posting on Current Affairs recently). I know I'm being pedantic but its purely to highlight my point.

I accept that it would be a massive undertaking if done completely and half of the stuff on Arrsepedia is out of date as it is, as far as I can see. However, a first port of call page would be a start and might stop some of the more regular posts that clearly get on some people nerves.

"Ask the PSI" is always a good bet but isn't always helpful if you don't want to bother your PSI with what might appear to be a bone question or, he's not the most approachable guy in the first place or, a nig is a little nervous/ doesn't want to make a tw@t of himself then, surely, a courses page on here could only be helpful (allowing for the obvious fact that some PSI's may be inundated with requests for the underwater knife fighting course - by all and sundry :roll: but that's then down to the individual concerned whether he/ she makes an arrse of themselves).

If its purely a case of time commitment, I'm quite happy to write it/ keep it up to date if supplied with the correct info by those in the know. It may not ever be complete or totally up to date but we could/ should at least try to make a start. :)
 
#4
Your time would be better spent updating the current pages.

There is a chain of command for a reason. Tp / Pl Commanders should be managing the careers of their blokes and the PSIs getting them on the courses. Your PSI is there to be asked questions. The arrsepedia is not a substitute for this process.

msr
 
#5
I'll update what I can when I see it athough, I don't know if its me monging it but searching for stuff that you know exists doesn't always pull up results on occasions - the search function seems to have a real problem on Arrse.

I'm not suggesting circumventing the CoC for one minute; I am however suggesting that a page which has all of the information on it would be useful so that BOTH parties can manage their career better. In an ideal world the CoC will know exacty what is right for each individual but we both know that doesn't always happen :roll: .

In reality, the CoC may have ideas for OldColt or MSR etc that don't actually fit with what we want/ are prepared to do. However, if when we go for our appraisals we are able to say, I quite like the idea of doing 'X' and think I have the skills/ aptitude for it; it gives the CoC an opportunity to explain why he/ she doesn't agree or, re-appraise that soldier properly look at him from a different perspective and build a more committed motivated bod. In short, it could actually improve the process.

Eg. Some time ago I was asked to go on a specialist course because I was a) good at it and b) had the right civvi and military quals/ aptitude etc. My CoC at the time was VERY keen that I did this course and I was equaly certain that I did not want to do it and would hate the job if that was all I was ever going to do in the TA. However, by luck, I had been told of another course by a mate and asked whether I could do that. The CoC hadn't even considered that course for me but put me through for it. I passed and we were both pleased with the results.

Again, I'm not trying to be a smart arrse here, just put up and argue an idea that I think might benefit Arrse and its users. :)
 
#6
OC, Why don't you just get on with being a rifleman for now. Get some experiance then your CoC may suggest some courses that will be of benefit to you and your unit.
 
#7
You will not be f**king well told will you?

It is not a good idea and has no merit.

From your position of near complete ignorance of the TA you are going to try and map the careers of every TA tom in every capbadge in every trade and list every course on offer?

Think about it.

If you want to put up a wiki page about a course you have attended, please do.

msr
 
#8
I'm gonna add a wiki page entitled:

"Info about every course the TA has to offer!"

In the page will be the following information:

"For information on every course the Territorial Army can offer you at any stage of your career, contact your PSI."
 
#11
msr said:
http://www.arrse.co.uk/wiki/Info_about_every_course_the_TA_has_to_offer

:)

msr
Only just got home from work, planned to sort the wiki page & done for me. Excellent Drills Sir!

I expect we've had the last of the bone questions about courses in the forum now! :)
 
#12
I've a sneaking suspicion we haven't ;)

msr
 
#13
But now we can helpfully give all askers a link to a wiki page, which they always desire so much for some unknown reason?
 
#15
Could some kind person update the Wiki to include all IT courses available in Civi Strasse for Ex Regs, so that they can improve their career paths?

Many Thanks
 
#16
Could somebody PLEASE do a Wiki page with all the things that Amazon sell, and their prices?



Oh, and keep it updated???


Many thanks in anticipation,

CF
 
#17
oldcolt said:
As courses are always one of the top topics on here and the regular arrsers can understandably get a little narky when asked the same questions again and again by different posters, may I suggest that the subject experts put together a wiki page of all of the courses available/ theoretically available to the TA, the course quals etc and then add a sticky link from the TA forum.

A further idea on from that is an evolutionary flow chart to show what course qual' leads on to next/ which opportunities it opens up/ what courses one might need to obtain in order to get on to the course one really desires.

Just an idle thought whilst sat here twiddling my thumbs on a quiet Saurday at the office.
Okay kids, lets put this to bed once and for all.You will have a chain of command( notice i have not put CoC)because some of you cant get your heads round the concept,this is a bit like your boss at work,happy so far?any confusion.

Like your boss your CoC is paid to run your platoon or troop,and will therefore decide how your career progresses ie which courses you will be put forward for.This is a bit like being at work, your boss will decide who goes on what courses for the good of the company.Happy so far any problems.

The PSI will then book the course,unless of course its something completely irrelevant, then it wont be because thats what the PSI does advises on military matters.So you see, this is how it works and no Wiki page will change that.The PSI will still f**k you off if you turn up asking for bone courses and you will have wasted time creating wiki pages.

Happy, probably not but there you go,thats how it works.
 
#18
Morris_Viper said:
oldcolt said:
As courses are always one of the top topics on here and the regular arrsers can understandably get a little narky when asked the same questions again and again by different posters, may I suggest that the subject experts put together a wiki page of all of the courses available/ theoretically available to the TA, the course quals etc and then add a sticky link from the TA forum.

A further idea on from that is an evolutionary flow chart to show what course qual' leads on to next/ which opportunities it opens up/ what courses one might need to obtain in order to get on to the course one really desires.

Just an idle thought whilst sat here twiddling my thumbs on a quiet Saurday at the office.
Okay kids, lets put this to bed once and for all.You will have a chain of command( notice i have not put CoC)because some of you cant get your heads round the concept,this is a bit like your boss at work,happy so far?any confusion.

Like your boss your CoC is paid to run your platoon or troop,and will therefore decide how your career progresses ie which courses you will be put forward for.This is a bit like being at work, your boss will decide who goes on what courses for the good of the company.Happy so far any problems.

The PSI will then book the course,unless of course its something completely irrelevant, then it wont be because thats what the PSI does advises on military matters.So you see, this is how it works and no Wiki page will change that.The PSI will still f**k you off if you turn up asking for bone courses and you will have wasted time creating wiki pages.

Happy, probably not but there you go,thats how it works.

Thanks for that, but I think that MSR had it sorted.
 
#20
As posts can be taken a number of ways (the tone being misinterpreted) please read this as a neutral post that is not having a particular dig at anyone or attempting to score points; merely exploring an argument/ idea.

It may come as a surprise to some on here but I, and others like me, DO actually understand that there is a chain of command and that the CoC and the PSI will ultimately decide our career fate. But that was never my point, which seems to have been missed in the rush to condemn.

No-one on here is, I am sure, suggesting that anyone approaches their CoC or PSI about the future of the TA, manning and payment within the TA, Governmental issues or many other of the interesting and informative debates/ requests for information that go on on Arrse, so is it really that stupid to suggest putting information in an encyclopaedia? That is what it is there for after all.

Sarcasm and irony aside, to reply to some other posts and points on here as they relate to my original post, there are many civi’ courses available and they are kept up-to-date by those websites that seek to provide a service to the community they seek to serve. Ditto Amazon; which has an index you can search for the information you want. Which is my point; what is Arrse and arrsepedia for if not, in part at least, to provide useful information to its users?

As an example, MSR; the other day, helpfully gave me some advice on how to access a language course on DELC. I knew what I wanted to learn but I also used that information to see what else was available. That information has now been passed to all members of my TAC unit through the CoC and was greatly appreciated by junior and senior ranks alike as they were totally unaware of that facility via DELC. If it hadn’t been for Arrse making that information available, I would not have known that a free language facility was a possibility for me and neither would the rest of my unit.

To conclude, Arrse users might simply be interested to see what is out there and want to satisfy a simple thirst for knowledge. If they choose to use that information to make themselves a bloody pain in the Arrse with their CoC then that is their choice. Putting that information in the open does not and would not, in itself, create a climate of problems for the CoC or PSI’s any more than a lack of information generates questions on here and at TAC’s.
 

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