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Courses - Food & Accom Charges Married Pers

#1
Ive just been informed by my unit admin office that whilst I'm on cse for the next 6 weeks I will be charged food & accom. I can't see how this is correct as I am married. I have never been charged this before whilst attending courses so why now.

Surely the information I have been given is wrong. I can't see how this would work for a single soldier paying 2 lots of accom charges, so why married personnel. Food yes I can understand.

Any advice or info from pay gods is very much appreciated.
 
#2
Food - yes changed on 01 Jul this year, or was it Jun??

Accommodation - No, I don't think you should be paying that. I certainly didn't when I went on my Imprest course in Aug, but would have paid food charges had it not be a PAYD Mess.
 
#3
Correct, for livers out, Food charge only in a non PAYD unit, no claim if PAYD, Livers in on temp duty can claim back from a PAYD unit under DS, keep those reciepts, we have to now pay for the food we eat even if on course/temp duty, however, duty meals are still paid for at core menue. 2007 DIN 02/075 dated March 2007 referes.

Regards

LJS
 
#4
I thought that personnel living in going on course to a PAYD unit were to have their food charges stopped for the duration of the course, not claim back their PAYD Costs :?
 
#5
Livers in from a DMR (food charge paying) Unit going on a course to a PAYD unit would have their food charge stopped because they would have to pay for food (cash) at the PAYD unit (and we wouldn't want them to pay twice would we!)

Married men (or livers out) going on a course to a PAYD unit will now (from 1 Jul) have to pay for food as they eat it (PAYD). Married men or livers out going on a course to a non PAYD unit "should" have the food charge started by their own unit for the duration of the course.
 
#7
GrumpyGit said:
Livers in from a DMR (food charge paying) Unit going on a course to a PAYD unit would have their food charge stopped because they would have to pay for food (cash) at the PAYD unit (and we wouldn't want them to pay twice would we!)

Married men (or livers out) going on a course to a PAYD unit will now (from 1 Jul) have to pay for food as they eat it (PAYD). Married men or livers out going on a course to a non PAYD unit "should" have the food charge started by their own unit for the duration of the course.
So why can they not continue to pay the core menu food charge and claim the same back, seems easy to claim under DS, EXPLAIN?
 
#8
It's not exactly the most efficient method of doing it though is it. Surely it is easier to stop Food for someone and then start it again when they come back.

Also that is the method stated on my joining instructions from the 'Centre of Excellence' so it must be right :lol:
 
#9
Remember, you can also claim the £5.00 per day incidental allowance, and GYP (D) (if free at weekends) or LSA.
Also, we just find out that you can claim the days towards your LSA total (but not the money) if away from your duty station for less than the 10 days needed.
 
#12
For attn LJS. They would not be entitled to DS as they are at a temporary duty station therefore not entitled to subsistence. Those who are away from their duty station for more than 5 hours but not residing at a temporary duty station are entitled to DS. The crazy scenario is that under the old system they could have been fed for free as a duty meal but now they have to pay at PAYD units or they could go and have a slap up meal and spend the £21.20!
 
#13
For Devexwarrior: Here is a couple of quotes from JSP 752 which you might find useful.

03.0506. Periods of Temporary Absence. Service personnel in receipt of FIA at their permanent assignment station, and who retain their accommodation, are entitled to continued payment of the full rate of FIA for periods up to 61 days when they are:

a. Absent on temporary assignment (but see 03.0509e); or

b. Absent on sick or authorised absence (but not relocation, terminal, invaliding or DOMCOL absence) during an assignment.

Additionally you would have to pay for food under this sub para.

d. Casual Meal Charges. Service personnel in receipt of FIA are to pay the appropriate Casual Meal Charge for all meals taken in a Service messing facility. In PAYD units the FIA recipient would pay for the food they consume.
 
#14
deejay075 said:
For Devexwarrior: Here is a couple of quotes from JSP 752 which you might find useful.

03.0506. Periods of Temporary Absence. Service personnel in receipt of FIA at their permanent assignment station, and who retain their accommodation, are entitled to continued payment of the full rate of FIA for periods up to 61 days when they are:

a. Absent on temporary assignment (but see 03.0509e); or

b. Absent on sick or authorised absence (but not relocation, terminal, invaliding or DOMCOL absence) during an assignment.

Additionally you would have to pay for food under this sub para.

d. Casual Meal Charges. Service personnel in receipt of FIA are to pay the appropriate Casual Meal Charge for all meals taken in a Service messing facility. In PAYD units the FIA recipient would pay for the food they consume.
Thank you
 
#15
daylightshrubbery said:
It's not exactly the most efficient method of doing it though is it. Surely it is easier to stop Food for someone and then start it again when they come back.

Also that is the method stated on my joining instructions from the 'Centre of Excellence' so it must be right :lol:
Alternatavly Move and Track and tick the PAYD box, move and track back in and do not tick the PAYD box, still a pain in the hoop having to call units to find out if they are PAYD.
 
#16
deejay075 said:
For attn LJS. They would not be entitled to DS as they are at a temporary duty station therefore not entitled to subsistence. Those who are away from their duty station for more than 5 hours but not residing at a temporary duty station are entitled to DS. The crazy scenario is that under the old system they could have been fed for free as a duty meal but now they have to pay at PAYD units or they could go and have a slap up meal and spend the £21.20!
Ta
 
#17
deejay075 said:
For attn LJS. Those who are away from their duty station for more than 5 hours but not residing at a temporary duty station are entitled to DS. The crazy scenario is that under the old system they could have been fed for free as a duty meal but now they have to pay at PAYD units or they could go and have a slap up meal and spend the £21.20!
It is my understanding that anyone on duty away from their normal duty station for over 5 hours is entitled to "free feed" and if visiting a PAYD unit on duty would simply pay for their "core meal" (whichever one they make take - £1.02 for breakfast, £1.20 for lunch or £1.54 for dinner) and then claim the amount back on JPA the next day? Is that not the case?
 
#18
Grumpy. Yes that is the case but if you are residing at a temp duty station you are not entitled to claim as that becomes your temp duty station so you are not 5 hours away from it. What I was explaining was that you could either have the "core meal" or the go elsewhere and eat and claim up to the DS which is £21.20 per day. Free feeders are completely different to over 5 hour claims which I hope I have now explained.
 
#19
Gents, I appreciate that with the amount of DINs and whatnots flying around about this subject that the details can get lost in the signal noise, but the bottom line about Day Subsistence is as follows:

YOU CANNOT CLAIM SUBSISTENCE WHEN SERVICE FOOD IS AVAILABLE.

JSP 752 03.0110 refers in the introductory paragraph on Day Subsistence:

"DS is the re-imbursement of actual receipted costs, up to a DS limit for expenditure necessarily incurred for prepared food and drink during the day for periods of 5 hours' absence from the permanent or temporary assignment station, when no Service food or drink has been, or can be, provided."

So in a nutshell, if you get sent to any place on temporary duty where there are Service messing facilities, or where there are Service messing facilities within 5 miles, you can not claim DS for any meals taken at that location. This is backed up by the (relatively) recent (and completely reprehensible) policy change on paying for food on temp duty. If you get sent anywhere on temp duty you pay food charges regardless of your circumstances and you can't claim them back. We're the only employer in the UK that tells our people to go to places and pay for the privilege of going there, but that's another drip for another time.
 
#20
Jolly Jack. I hate to disagree but as service food is not available under PAYD you are entitled to claim DS. The paragraph you are quoting refers to free food being available now that personnel have to pay for it they can either claim that back or dine elsewhere and claim the expenses back. This has been confirmed by our Bde SPS SO2 and is current practice.
 

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