Coup in Myanmar

Goatman

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She was allegedly incredibly rude and religionist to Mishal Hussein who was supposed to interview her for the BBC when she was in the UK.

And must have known what was going on with the Rohingya.


Perhaps another politician who has learned that it's much easier to be in opposition than to actually run things.

So....nothing to do with the BBC picking a Muslim female to interview an Oxford educated fiercely nationalist leader then ?

Particularly as the key issue around which controversy (hence News) has swirled around Burma/Myanmar has been the expulsion of largely Muslim migrants from the Arakan region of a largely Buddhist country ?

How do you think the interview would have gone had the interviewer been:
  • Eddy Mair ?
  • Justin Webb ?
  • Ben Brown ?
  • Huw Edwards ?
  • Frank Gardner ?


List of former BBC newsreaders and journalists - Wikipedia

There are innumerable reasons why so many middle aged, middle class white men have left the Corporation to seek their fortunes elsewhere.

One of them is that ,as in so much public life, apart from competence at the job - they don't tick too many of the boxes required.

If anyone has a link to the interview , then it would cast some light.
 

4(T)

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The Rohingya Muslims are invaders from Bangladesh who tried to throw out the natives using standard Muslim tactics of murder and rape.
The then Burmese police tried to stop this and were murdered and the police stations burned down, sometimes with the police inside.
The Burmese army then stepped in and it got even messier.

AFAIK, it is the same on the other side of the border, and has been going on for many, many years.

A long time ago, my father and I were being driven around the hill tracts east of Cox's Bazaar. We drove into an ambush and got thoroughly brassed up. Fortunately, they were sh1t shots (probably using rusty WW2 kit) and, apart from a few holes in the car, we came out unscathed.

We were in a white Toyota Corolla with UN decals, but the same vehicle type had been given to the country in huge numbers as aid, so they probably thought we were "government". IIRC the Rohingyas were fighting the Bangladesh, Indian and Burmese governments, plus the indiginous tribes, plus the resident civvies in the region (tea estate labourers, etc). Population growth was even back then causing dozens of different ethnic spats.
 
They have a border with China and have the full backing of the PRC leadership with both sides doing a lot of buisness together, especialy the Mynmar Generals.

So they wont give two flying f*cks about western indignation's and threat's of sanctions. They have a big mate to the north which is rapidly becoming the next world superpower so up yours sleepy Joe, the EU and UN.

Not so much these days.

When I was first going there for work (about 2008) the place looked like a Chinese colony.

However the previous president noticed this and started cutting back on the over dependence on China.

The Chinese however are besties with the rebel Kachins and there is a big flow of jade into China from Kachin state
 
The Rohingya Muslims are invaders from Bangladesh who tried to throw out the natives using standard Muslim tactics of murder and rape.
The then Burmese police tried to stop this and were murdered and the police stations burned down, sometimes with the police inside.
The Burmese army then stepped in and it got even messier.
Wikipedia (yes, I know) differs:

The Rohingya population is concentrated in the historical region of Arakan, an old coastal country in Southeast Asia. It is not clear who the original settlers of Arakan were. Arkanese chronicles claim that the Rakhine have inhabited Arakan since 3000 BCE. By the 4th century, Arakan became one of the earliest Indianized kingdoms in Southeast Asia. The first Arakanese state flourished in Dhanyawadi. Power then shifted to the city of Waithali. Sanskrit inscriptions in the region indicate that the founders of the first Arakanese states were Indian. Arakan was ruled by the Chandra dynasty.[105] The British historian Daniel George Edward Hall stated that "The Burmese do not seem to have settled in Arakan until possibly as late as the tenth century CE. Hence earlier dynasties are thought to have been Indian, ruling over a population similar to that of Bengal. All the capitals known to history have been in the north near modern Akyab".[106]

D. G. E Hall, A History of South East Asia, New York, 1968, P. 389.
 

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The Rohingya Muslims are invaders from Bangladesh who tried to throw out the natives using standard Muslim tactics of murder and rape
So, not a great bunch of lads, then...?

Sounds like both sides are as bad as each other in this one, with no moral high ground to be taken at all.
 

Goatman

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Umm...the words 'Burmah Oil ' spring to mind. Previous CEO one Dennis Thatcher.


One of the reasons the sons of Nippon were so keen to usher Burma into the ' East Asian Co Prosperity Sphere '.

French national oil company Total has extensive exploration options for gas in existing known gas fields in Gulf of Martaban. It has operated four wells in the field since 2017.

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China has since 1960s hugely increased its stake in Burma/Myanmar.
 
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The Rohingya Muslims are invaders from Bangladesh who tried to throw out the natives using standard Muslim tactics of murder and rape.
The then Burmese police tried to stop this and were murdered and the police stations burned down, sometimes with the police inside.
The Burmese army then stepped in and it got even messier.
Can you give a timeframe for the "invasion" of the area by the Rohingya? How does the "invasion" relate to the genocide against them today?
 

TotalBanker

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Myanmar, since it became a democracy of sorts, the western media accepted that was its official name. Prior to that the old name of Burma (and Rangoon, rather than Yangon) was used. If I am not wrong Myanmar and Burma mean exactly the same thing "Burma" being what English people thought locals were saying when they were actually saying Myuh'ma, I am happy to stand corrected.

The democracy that the country enjoyed for the past few years has been a fragile plant at best, and the shine came off the halo of Aung San Suu Kyi when she failed to condemn the persecution of the Rohinghya minority, some say she was afraid to condemn the military others say she was a Burmese nationalist and was happy to stick it to the inconvenient minorities.
Agree with above, but for me, given my Grandad had to run round bits of it on an all expenses paid (not really) tour arranged by Churchill, i'll always call it Burma
 
You mean like the calls to have her Nobel Peace Prize revoked because of what's going on with the Rohingya.
  • In October 2017, Oxford City Council announced that, following a unanimous cross-party vote,[242] the honour of Freedom of the City, granted in 1997 in recognition of her "long struggle for democracy", was to be withdrawn following evidence emerging from the United Nations which meant that she was "no longer worthy of the honour".
  • A few days later, Munsur Ali, a councillor for City of London Corporation, tabled a motion to rescind the Freedom of the City of London: the motion was supported by Catherine McGuinness, chair of the corporation's policy and resources committee, who expressed "distress ... at the situation in Burma and the atrocities committed by the Burmese military".
  • The Dublin City Council voted 59–2 (with one abstention) to revoke Aung San Suu Kyi's Freedom of the City award over Myanmar's treatment of the Rohingya people in December 2017, though Lord Mayor of Dublin
  • In March 2018, the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum revoked Suu Kyi's Elie Wiesel Award, awarded in 2012, citing her failure "to condemn and stop the military's brutal campaign" against Rohingya Muslims.
  • In May 2018, Aung San Suu Kyi was considered complicit in the crimes against Rohingyas in a report by Britain's International Development Committee.
  • In August 2018, it was revealed that Aung San Suu Kyi would be stripped of her Freedom of Edinburgh award over her refusal to speak out against the crimes committed against the Rohingya.
  • In early October 2018, both the Canadian Senate and its House of Commons voted unanimously to strip Aung San Suu Kyi of her honorary citizenship. This decision was caused by the Government of Canada's determination that the treatment of the Rohingya by Myanmar's government amounts to Genocide.
  • On 11 November 2018, Amnesty International announced it was revoking her Ambassador of Conscience award.
I don't think that she will be bothered about any of that.
 

Goatman

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This one?


Uh-huh....from 2013 ?

BBC News just aired a more recent interview (Fergal Keene?) from 2017......also not exactly up to the moment....

Even longer ago, in a previous life ( 1988-1991) I spent 3 years attempting to monitor events in Burma....it was an uphill struggle because nobody was really interested.....in a country the size of France, awash with mineral wealth, in the heart of the Pacific Rim , Asian Tiger economies...blah,blah,blah.
( It's also unique as the only former British colony which flatly refused to join the Commonwealth in its infancy, from the get-go.)
UK Trade always fell at the hurdle of the hostility of the FCO to the noxious military regimes of Ne Win and his successors.

Militarily, up till 1990 the Burmese Army still had Comet tanks in their active inventory. Since then they have steadily replaced British and American kit ( UH1's ) with Chinese equipment.

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Chinese PTL-02
This vehicle has a different turret configuration, with a distinct Wedge front, rather than the Chinese flat sloping front. It is in service with Cameroon, Chad, Djibouti and Myanmar.
LINK

Belearus has apparently sold them mobile SAM systems:

New Belarus air defense missile system Kvadrat-M in service with Myanmar armed forces.

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During the military parade, Sunday March 27, 2016, Myanmar has unveiled its new air defense missile system "Kvadrat-M" developed and designed by the Belarus Defense Industry. Mynamar is the first foreign customer of the Kvadrat-M.

Its a wheeled launcher for a Soviet -era SAM known to us as the SA- 6 Gainful.

The Soviet/client states version was called Kub.

KUB was the lineal predecessor of the more modern Buk systems ,one of which was responsible for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17)

( A scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down on 17 July 2014 while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed. [3] )

2K12 Kub - Wikipedia

( They appear to have a thing for anything with white wall tyres)

In the air, they are the proud owners of around a dozen Mig-29 Fulcrum jets.

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SOURCE
Unconfirmed reports speak of a total of 12 MiG-29s, ten single-seat Fulcrum-As and two MiG-29UBs being delivered to Myanmar. However, the announced 2001 order was for ten MiG-29s only. One MiG-29, s/n 2702, was photographed at Yangon IAP on 22 June 2005, after returning from a training mission.

As Suu Kyi said in the Mishal Hussein interview, Myanmar is a fledgling democracy. Effectively, the current Army coup is a re-set to the ( lamentable) status quo which has been in place since 1962.
 
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Goatman

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For the BBC, some news on Myanmar from more recently than the Fergal Keene interview:

Russia to supply Pantsir-S1 air defence systems to Myanmar


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Pantsyr S1 surface-to-air missiles

Pantsyr-S1 carries 12 57E6 surface-to-air missiles on launchers. The missile has a bicalibre body in tandem configuration, separable booster and sustainer with separation mechanism. The sustainer contains the warhead and contact and proximity fuses. The fragmentation rod warhead weighs 16kg. The missile weighs 65kg at launch and has a maximum speed of 1,100m a second. The range is between 1km and 12km. [reporting name SA-22 Greyhound.]

Two 2A72 30mm guns are fitted with 750 rounds of a variety of ammunition – HE (high-explosive) fragmentation, fragmentation tracer and armour-piercing with tracer. Ammunition type can be selected by the crew depending on the nature of the target. Maximum rate of fire is 700 rounds a minute. Range is up to 4km.
 
Myanmar, since it became a democracy of sorts, the western media accepted that was its official name. Prior to that the old name of Burma (and Rangoon, rather than Yangon) was used. If I am not wrong Myanmar and Burma mean exactly the same thing "Burma" being what English people thought locals were saying when they were actually saying Myuh'ma, I am happy to stand corrected.
Burma is named after the majority people of the south and centre of the country, the Bamar. They are ethnically different from those in the north, north west and east.
 
Uh-huh....from 2013 ?

BBC News just aired a more recent interview (Fergal Keene?) from 2017......also not exactly up to the moment....

Even longer ago, in a previous life ( 1988-1991) I spent 3 years attempting to monitor events in Burma....it was an uphill struggle because nobody was really interested.....in a country the size of France, awash with mineral wealth, in the heart of the Pacific Rim , Asian Tiger economies...blah,blah,blah.
( It's also unique as the only former British colony which flatly refused to join the Commonwealth in its infancy, from the get-go.)
UK Trade always fell at the hurdle of the hostility of the FCO to the noxious military regimes of Ne Win and his successors.

Militarily, up till 1990 the Burmese Army still had Comet tanks in their active inventory. Since then they have steadily replaced British and American kit ( UH1's ) with Chinese equipment.

View attachment 545264
Chinese PTL-02
This vehicle has a different turret configuration, with a distinct Wedge front, rather than the Chinese flat sloping front. It is in service with Cameroon, Chad, Djibouti and Myanmar.
LINK

Belearus has apparently sold them mobile SAM systems:

New Belarus air defense missile system Kvadrat-M in service with Myanmar armed forces.

View attachment 545265
During the military parade, Sunday March 27, 2016, Myanmar has unveiled its new air defense missile system "Kvadrat-M" developed and designed by the Belarus Defense Industry. Mynamar is the first foreign customer of the Kvadrat-M.

Its a wheeled launcher for a Soviet -era SAM known to us as the SA- 6 Gainful.

The Soviet/client states version was called Kub.

KUB was the lineal predecessor of the more modern Buk systems ,one of which was responsible for the shoot down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17)

( A scheduled passenger flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur that was shot down on 17 July 2014 while flying over eastern Ukraine. All 283 passengers and 15 crew were killed. [3] )

2K12 Kub - Wikipedia

( They appear to have a thing for anything with white wall tyres)

In the air, they are the proud owners of around a dozen Mig-29 Fulcrum jets.

View attachment 545277
SOURCE
Unconfirmed reports speak of a total of 12 MiG-29s, ten single-seat Fulcrum-As and two MiG-29UBs being delivered to Myanmar. However, the announced 2001 order was for ten MiG-29s only. One MiG-29, s/n 2702, was photographed at Yangon IAP on 22 June 2005, after returning from a training mission.

As Suu Kyi said in the Mishal Hussein interview, Myanmar is a fledgling democracy. Effectively, the current Army coup is a re-set to the ( lamentable) status quo which has been in place since 1962.
For the BBC, some news on Myanmar from more recently than the Fergal Keene interview:

Russia to supply Pantsir-S1 air defence systems to Myanmar


View attachment 545289

Pantsyr S1 surface-to-air missiles

Pantsyr-S1 carries 12 57E6 surface-to-air missiles on launchers. The missile has a bicalibre body in tandem configuration, separable booster and sustainer with separation mechanism. The sustainer contains the warhead and contact and proximity fuses. The fragmentation rod warhead weighs 16kg. The missile weighs 65kg at launch and has a maximum speed of 1,100m a second. The range is between 1km and 12km. [reporting name SA-22 Greyhound.]

Two 2A72 30mm guns are fitted with 750 rounds of a variety of ammunition – HE (high-explosive) fragmentation, fragmentation tracer and armour-piercing with tracer. Ammunition type can be selected by the crew depending on the nature of the target. Maximum rate of fire is 700 rounds a minute. Range is up to 4km.
All standard counter-insurgency kit, to be sure.
 

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