Coulson, Brooks et al charged over hacking

#7
Innocent till proven guilty.

I can't ask for anything else, otherwise it is a reverse of the Tomlinson trial. We don't like them, but due process and a fair trial.

More than the people on the end of abuse of power ever get, whether it be by the state or newspapers.

But Holy Mary Mother of God, these trials are going to be interesting. We aren't going to look pretty as a nation, bit cleaner by the end though.
 
#8
Frankly this was what was really needed from the start. Police to investigate alleged wrong-doing by the press and those they deal with and where appropriate initiate charges.

Can we now dispense with the farce of a judicial enquiry?
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#9
You are of course right about them being innocent until proven guilty.

Getting a jury of their peers together, who haven't heard any of the Leveson evidence will be difficult; but I am sure that it could be done.

All we need now is a date for the trial and for the Mods to declare the subject matter to be under purdah and all comment will cease on the site.

And I fully expect that once the guilty verdicts are in that we'll all go back to normal jogging.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
Frankly this was what was really needed from the start. Police to investigate alleged wrong-doing by the press and those they deal with and where appropriate initiate charges.

Can we now dispense with the farce of a judicial enquiry?
You might have found Leveson to be a farce, I have found it to be quite enlightening. The enquiry is in it's final stages now and will be over by the end of the month IIRC.

Mr Justice Leveson will, I am sure, arrange for his decisions/recommendations to be made known after the Hacking Trials (for want of a phrase) are over.
 
#11
Leveson finishes tomorrow apparently?

He wants to report by the autumn. None of his inquiry to date relates to the criminal activity so presumably the report will not scupper the prosecutions.

Things were going well until they called up Blair and didn't lay a finger on him. Why bother with the whole thing if you're not going to really grill the big hitters?
 
#12
So the opening sentence from the judge will be along the lines of;

'Wheel the guilty bastards in.'

After all the time and effort spent on a tawdry affair that seems only to have impinged on the glitterati and the Westminster village, they could hardly have said,

'So long, no case to answer, and thanks for all the fish.'

Does anyone with a real life really care?
 

Mr_Fingerz

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#14
The enquiry was into Press Standards and Ethics. IIRC Blair isn't a newspaper owner - he "merely" tried to manipulate the press to "get his message out there".

He wasn't being grilled in the same manner as Brooks Murcdoch et al so that's the reason why they never laid a finger on him.
 
#15
How has Leveson been enlightening?

We have learned that journalists have highly selective memories
They could remember any great detail which painted them in a positive light
Their memories let them down over any failings
We learned that they all know of other journalists who have used illegal means of gathering information
All claim they wouldn't do any such thing.
We learned that Newspaper proprietors have their own agendas
We learned they will support anyone who supports their agenda
We learned that Newspaper proprietors lavish extravagant gifts on politicians
We learned that neither parties consider that to be corrupt or likely to earn influence
We learned that eminent QCs can string out questioning long enough to maximise earnings
We learned that all politicians of whichever party behave in the same way when being schmoozed by rich people.

Will we get a better press as a result? - no. Because we get the press we want to pay for (or deserve)
 
#16
The enquiry was into Press Standards and Ethics. IIRC Blair isn't a newspaper owner - he "merely" tried to manipulate the press to "get his message out there".

He wasn't being grilled in the same manner as Brooks Murcdoch et al so that's the reason why they never laid a finger on him.
And no real questions about the Communications Act 2003 which allowed foreign ownership of broadcasters.
 
#17
And no real questions about the Communications Act 2003 which allowed foreign ownership of broadcasters.
On an aside there is a much overlooked bit of law in there, that I am surprised is not used more often.

Communications Act 2003

127 Improper use of public electronic communications network

(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—
(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
(b)causes any such message or matter to be so sent.

(2)A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—
(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,
(b)causes such a message to be sent; or
(c)persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.

(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.

(4)Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to anything done in the course of providing a programme service (within the meaning of the Broadcasting Act 1990 (c. 42)).
Quite surprised that isn't used instead of the Bomb Hoax. Racially Aggravated Public Order and all the rest. Just keeps it in proportion to the distressed caused and reminds people the internet is a place with consequences.

Well, that little bit of it with a Union Flag on it anyway.

Wave that at the local plod next time you decide you really cannot ignore some pillock on the net who is clearly out of order.

Usually best just to hit "off" though.
 
#18
It's rather a shame the politicians were not so obsessed and diligent in getting crooked politicians and bankers charged

Crooked MP's that fleeced the country? A slack handfull charged

Crooked bankers that fleeced the country? Nil

Journos who exposed MP's mendacity, duplicity and corruption? Lots charged with lots more to come.


It seems Hell hath no fury like an MP exposed or scorned.
 

Grumblegrunt

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Book Reviewer
#19
I can see a worthy and popular olympic closing ceremony coming up involving the fine english tradition of imprisonment in the tower followed by a haircut.

about time they nailed someone up even it is only to provide a sacrifice - they couldn't have picked a worthier pair. :)

19 charges so at least one should stick

it will be a good test of whether the murdocs have really left the UK press to its own devices or not.

not much point in levinson going on over the summer hols
 

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