Could we have stopped the bear?

This one of those threads on ARRSE which is truly educational and very valuable - kudos to all.

With regards to the haul of documents and the relaying of the ground truth to the mandarins in London - I wonder if any Russian general was brave enough to shine a light on the deficiencies in their forces. Or if there were a way to gain access to their musings.

I recall on ARRSE someone commenting on the Poles reaction to our exercises in their country post Cold War. They said that the Poles told them that if it had kicked off then the WP would have been stuffed judging by our performance on the exercises.
 

LD17

MIA
Just an update, @Bad CO is working on the ARRSEchives and I have sent him some files.
Just a note of appreciation for @Bad CO for making this happen in so short a time, the Admins/Mods have been great!!!
 

Pteranadon

LE
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Ex Iron Hammer 1988
Gosh what memories I have of that exercise.....It was the best FTX I took part in. I was an escort to the CSCE delegation from Austria . The whole shebang was based in a five star hotel in Hildesheim. Brilliant!!

The true end ot the cold war. Not won by Reagan ot Thatcher, but the assorted ranks of Warsaw pact dignitaries seduced by the allure of car show rooms packed with Porsche, Au,di Mercedes and BMW
 

oldnotbold

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Gosh what memories I have of that exercise.....It was the best FTX I took part in. I was an escort to the CSCE delegation from Austria . The whole shebang was based in a five star hotel in Hildesheim. Brilliant!!

The true end ot the cold war. Not won by Reagan ot Thatcher, but the assorted ranks of Warsaw pact dignitaries seduced by the allure of car show rooms packed with Porsche, Au,di Mercedes and BMW
My general impression was that it looked bloody cold too!
 

Pteranadon

LE
Book Reviewer
One of the Warsaw Pact observers was the Hungarian Director of Army training a 2 star General. He was a bit of a star. At approriate moments he would ask politiely, through interpreters exaactly what was the training value of....

-.. A section of Squaddies hiddling in the back of their FV432 trying to stay warm and playing cards.

..... An advance to contact in the late afternoon with all vehicles roadbound amid German rush hour with orange rotating warning lights - aka winky wanky lights
 
That's exactly what I was told, even reached out to Mungo Melvin also.....but I had read that NATO had pulled it out for an exercise fairly recently (in the 2000's), for the life of me I can't remember the name.

I do know that 4/7 DG was supposed to be the Covering Force (not the whole 20 Bde) in 4 AD's sector and there was a Hartz Group which I don't have much info on at this time.
I have a copy of the ARRC Reader.
Page 38 of Battlegroup!' says 'Figure 1-8 represents an interpretation of several different (and sometimes contradictory) sources'. Those sources include asking Mungo Melvin.
The deployment also changed: for example in 1982 12 Armd Bde moved from 2nd Armd Div to 1st; in 1985 33 Armd Bde moved from 4 Armd Div to 3rd. So Fig 1-8, which you are commenting on, is exactly what is described above.
I hope that helps. I can't reply to every query, but I'm delighted that Battlegroup! has prompted some interest.
Jim Storr
 

LD17

MIA
I have a copy of the ARRC Reader.
Page 38 of Battlegroup!' says 'Figure 1-8 represents an interpretation of several different (and sometimes contradictory) sources'. Those sources include asking Mungo Melvin.
The deployment also changed: for example in 1982 12 Armd Bde moved from 2nd Armd Div to 1st; in 1985 33 Armd Bde moved from 4 Armd Div to 3rd. So Fig 1-8, which you are commenting on, is exactly what is described above.
I hope that helps. I can't reply to every query, but I'm delighted that Battlegroup! has prompted some interest.
Jim Storr
Jim,

Thank you! The book is excellent, I hope you can drop back in from time to time. I am trying to develop my BAOR document to be as authoritative as possible with input and vignettes from the gents who were there.
 

LD17

MIA
Gents, I hate to be the bearer of bad news........Again first let me thank @Bad CO for all his help and hard work, also for all the encouragement on this thread. But it looks like, after consulting with TNA, there would be Crown Copyright issues with setting up the ARRSEchives (basically I would have to check with them for every scanned document and possibly pay a fee unless I transcribed everything).

However, I think we should keep this thread going as the Official/Unofficial BAOR themed thread. I will post what I can, but never fear I am now diligently working on a major update of my BAOR document which I will post the link to here. Another bright spot is that book wise and wargame wise, BAOR and The Cold War look to be popular topics. There are some books in the early stages of development, though I couldn't possibly comment ; )
and next year begins full development of Air & Armor: 1 BR Corps (set in 1986).
 
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The Duga.

Did you manage to get into Pripyat while you were there?

We did, the final stop.

What was rather touching, our older guide (Irina, class act) having said nothing about it up to that point, became a little choked when relating her father had been living there at the time of the evacuation.
 

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What was rather touching, our older guide (Irina, class act) having said nothing up to that point, became a little choked when relating her father had been living there at the time of the evacuation.
It's one of those places that's fascinated me in a morbid sort of way for years.

Maybe it's because I spent so many hours immersed in the Stalker universe but seeing videos of the place makes me feel something akin to homesickness.
 
It's one of those places that's fascinated me in a morbid sort of way for years.

Maybe it's because I spent so many hours immersed in the Stalker universe but seeing videos of the place makes me feel something akin to homesickness.

Where as I know it from Verdansk.


Verdansk....


I was still in Verdansk...
 

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