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Could, or should the LibDems be the "New Tories"?

Can the LibDems occupy Tory territory?

  • No, they remain too left of centre

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  • Yes, if they harden and define their manifesto

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  • No, the Tory Party will recover after conference

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, Labour will gain seats from a Tory collapse

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#1
Just picked this up, and wondered this.

Has the Tory Party now drifted so far , that it's former position could be occupied by the LibDems with a "Hardened" manifesto?

Especially, as it is rumoured that the next General Election may be a damn sight sooner than anyone thinks, as the Beloved Leader seeks to exploit the current perceived weakness in the opposition parties

Few expect Tory election win - poll Aug 3 2004
Fewer than half of Tory voters believe that the party will win the next General Election, a new poll has found.

The Populus poll for The Times, undertaken over the weekend, shows that by a three-to-one margin the public expects a Labour rather than a Conservative government.

It also said that Liberal Democrat leader Charles Kennedy is now the top rated of the three main party leaders. On a 10-point scale, Mr Kennedy scored 5.04; Tony Blair 4.90; and Mr Howard 4.52.

The poll found that nearly three-fifths of voters expected Labour to win an overall Commons majority.

About 47% thought that Labour's majority will be cut to less than 100. Only 11% anticipated a Labour majority in three figures.

By contrast, only 19% of voters thought that the Tories will form the next government. That included just 45% of Conservative supporters, a third of whom (34%) believed that there will be a Labour majority government.

If those figures made gloomy reading for party leader Michael Howard, the poll did contain better news for the party. When it came to voting intentions, the Tories were on 32%, up three points on early July.

That was the same level as Labour, down one point over the month. The Liberal Democrats were unchanged on 24%.

The UK Independence Party, which made notable headway in June's European elections, were on 5%.

But tactical voting by Labour and Liberal Democrat supporters, and differential turnout (higher among Tory than Labour voters), mean that Labour is likely to have many more MPs than the Tories even if their share of the vote is the same.
 
#2
The Lib-Dems have taken over from the old Labour Loony Left - Their policies are now so extreme that it would be complete madness to vote for them. Higher taxes, ditching the pound, closer integration to Europe and as for drivers (Antichrists!!!.....).

The Tories may still be adrift but, IMHO, there's not a reasonable alternative. Nor do I trust the buggers to follow up on the things they're saying - but then, what the hell, they're lying, thieving, whoring politicians. One up from child molestors and on a par with lawyers and accountants.

:evil: :evil:
 
#3
The title of this worried me, i thought PTP you were calling for the Lib Dems to be renamed "Irish Horse Theives"/Tories. I would agree with them being the second party however :D
 
#4
Elections are decided by economies. Fact. The Tories will start to recover when the economy starts going up the spout, which it will. The whole thing is being artificially kept afloat by high consumer spending. As soon as interest rates start to rise, combined with the huge amount of personal debt being racked up, the spending will stop and the economy will go down the pan.
 
#5
If the Lib Dems try and seize the middle ground on Europe, between Labour and the Tories, they will increase in popularity. This may sound harder than it is but I would suggest that a slightly pro-Europe approach with the caveats that there will be a referendum on any constitutional change and that further integration should not equal handing over sovereignity.

The European argument is fairly complex - there are a lot of benefits but, at the same time, there have been so many own goals - widespread corruption and incompetence (audited accounts in the last 10 years, anyone?) and the Euro project, a wonderful concept that should have been introduced gradually over a longer period rather than in a rush by Eurocrats anxious to cement their fame and by forced, rather than natural, monetary convergence. France and Germany would have been logical starting points and there would have been no problem with the coexistence of currencies in other countries. More natural integration and less forced integration would win public support!

The Lib Dems appear the only party with a consistent line on Iraq, which has earned them great credit, as opposed to Michael Howard's valiant but doomed attempt at a U-turn and Bliar's denial of the facts and use of sophistry to force an "either my way or Saddam's way" argument.
 
#6
The Libs Dems are consistent, agreed............constistently woolly on practically everything.

Europe.........we dont want it.......yet the Liberals are determined to tie us to it.

Higher Taxation...Wrong..make better use of the money that is already snatched from our wallets.

Defence.......They cant have a policy because PTP consistently fails to answer this particular question.

Immigration and Assylum...........Ummmmmmmmmm????????????

The Lib Dems are useful only as a protest vote, mid term and even now they are likely to start losing out to the likes of the UKIP on that particular playing field
 
#7
Defence.......They cant have a policy because PTP consistently fails to answer this particular question.
I refer the Honourable Gentleman to my response given to Chimera in this answer

http://www.arrse.co.uk/html/modules...start=30&sid=fbe94e30a3bebf27791bc202b4363d70

Sorry LWM, it is difficult at the moment, to get an authoritative answer.

I will try and get a proper answer presently.

In the interim, the existing policies and manifestos are on the links given in the link above, BUT (Caveat in) they are subject to revision at the next party Conference.

Regards

PTp
 
#8
Ok then PTP; I clicked above link..........and found a factory.to be honest a fudge factory!!

Your link said nothing of any importance................much like your Party :D

Where do you stand on Defence :?: :D

What is your intent with regard to controlling immigration, both illegal and illegal? :evil:

Do you (as a party in Government) intend; or even expect to have to, in order to fund your plans; raise taxes? :?

How do you expect to pay for any changes :wink:

etc etc etc.............I won't demolish you in one fell swoop................
 
#11
Gents there has been no Tory party, since the old women stabbed The Greatest living Englishman of the 20C in the back.
Just a bunch of old tarts squabbling like fishwives.
john
 
#12
No...unfortunately they are full of cu-nt'osiss..............what worse is the secocondary condition full'a-shite-no- idea............... It's like Political Tourettes...you can say what you want....and no-one will ever blame you.............Hang on............I see T.B.Liar in my patient records 8O 8O
 
#13
I am refusing to allow this or any other PTP commented thread go out of the top 10...until we get a straight answer to a straight question...........and they are after all Army related..and PTP does seem to be politacally motivated...... :D
 
#16
I am LWM,

I am just trying to get some infor from the Grown ups, then I shall present it, either for your enlightenment, or for you to rip into lille bits and laugh sardonically :D
 

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