Costco Tyres - rip off?

#61
I would also point out that mixing premium tyres (Michelin, Conti, Goodyear etc) with Chinese DingDongSpin tyres is a recipe for disaster, especially if on the same axle.

I once had the joy of comprehensively spinning a Dolomite having replaced the front tyres with Michelins after a puncture, but not the cheap tyres on the back (which had 4mm of tread on them). I managed to do some Stiggy things and missed the other cars around me but clouted a kerb writing off a rear wheel.

At that point it was a quick trip to the scrappy for a new wheel and an overdraft for 2 more new Michelin ZX.

It was the early 1980s and I was stony broke at the time. You live and learn.
 
#62
Kuhmo Tyres
Should you fit new tyres to the front or rear?

The AA
Car tyres advice | AA

BTMA
http://btmauk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Replacing-car-tyres-important-information.pdf

Michelin
Tyre Positioning and Handling: Michelin’s Glove Box Guide

Of course it is your car and your choice. I fully agree with you.
However Costco are correct, the safest approach is always to fit the newer tyres to the rear of the car.
I never thought I'd say this about something tyre related but those links were very interesting and informative- thank you for posting them.

Every day's a etc etc....
 
#63
I guess not everybody has a son who is the regional sales manager of a multi national tyre manufacturer for the South East of the UK. :)
 

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#66
All I am saying is that Costco are following long established industry safe practice. The correct way to do it is to fit new tyres to the rear of the vehicle.
OK, gen question. You think this was advice from back when all cars were rear wheel drive and traction on the back wheels was most important? Because as a layman I couldn't really give a rats if a back tyre blows. No drama. If a front tyre blows when I am hoofing into a bend with a cattle truck coming the other way... That's a Gwyneth Paltrow OSCAR speech moment and tell me Mam I loved her.
 
#67
OK, gen question. You think this was advice from back when all cars were rear wheel drive and traction on the back wheels was most important? Because as a layman I couldn't really give a rats if a back tyre blows. No drama. If a front tyre blows when I am hoofing into a bend with a cattle truck coming the other way... That's a Gwyneth Paltrow OSCAR speech moment and tell me Mam I loved her.
No its current and applies to front wheel drive too. The original research goes back decades and was re-assessed in the early 80's when front wheel drive became more common.

Contrary to popular belief tyre blowouts on cars are uncommon.
Deflated tyres are normal and shredded tyres are nearly always caused by running under inflated.
Blowouts on cars, doesn't happen so much.
Loads of people will tell you they had a blow out but what actually happened is that they drove around for hours on a deflated tyre until it came to bits

You are far more likely to have an accident due to tyre tread condition than you are to have a blow out

When did you last check your tyre pressures.......
 
#70
No its current and applies to front wheel drive too. The original research goes back decades and was re-assessed in the early 80's when front wheel drive became more common.

Contrary to popular belief tyre blowouts on cars are uncommon.
Deflated tyres are normal and shredded tyres are nearly always caused by running under inflated.
Blowouts on cars, doesn't happen so much.
Loads of people will tell you they had a blow out but what actually happened is that they drove around for hours on a deflated tyre until it came to bits

You are far more likely to have an accident due to tyre tread condition than you are to have a blow out

When did you last check your tyre pressures.......
I have had two blow outs , the first was a pothole and the second was when a garage left all the wheel nuts finger tight . 3 minutes at 80 mph and it went bang .
 
#71
I've had two real blowouts in the past two years. The first was on the car, as recounted earlier. It was a Debica, a make that we fit thousands of per year. Inner sidewall damage, probably debris.

The second was only last month. The van had 23 miles on the clock. Michelin, near side front, luckily, as I was getting off the A417. That was an embarrassing phone call to the boss. I now have the record for handover to damage.
 
#72
Thanks for the replies and advice. Sorted this morning at J&G Tyres in Denbigh. I rang and asked if they would insist on the new tyres going on the back but the lady who answered (family firm, she also fitted the tyres) laughed and said "no, we'll put them wherever you want!"

Later, she said that they had had a few people ask about them going on the rear, but said her attitude was that they go where the customer wants them.

As for the safety aspect of putting them on the rear, I see the argument they are making, but it seems to be based (in all the advice/'research' I've read) on the vehicle being driven by a seventeen year old on drugs. If you drive like such a dick as to be needing the rears to hold on because you've lost the front then, frankly, the amount of tread on the tyre is going to be irrelevant, as you're going to be pulling it out of a hedge on a regular basis.
 

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#73
When did you last check your tyre pressures.......
Every time I fill up. That's normally once a week. I am well aware that a few square inches of rubber is all that is between me and major drama. But thanks for the gen. A tyre blowing when hoofing along an A road is up there with 'what if that bulker driver heading my way is on drugs / texting / cooking spaghetti / playing with his iPod (etc)' in terms of weird irrational road fears.
 

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#74
Later, she said that they had had a few people ask about them going on the rear, but said her attitude was that they go where the customer wants them.
Thank the Lord none of our contributors have a filthy mind.
 
#75
I've had two real blowouts in the past two years. The first was on the car, as recounted earlier. It was a Debica, a make that we fit thousands of per year. Inner sidewall damage, probably debris.

The second was only last month. The van had 23 miles on the clock. Michelin, near side front, luckily, as I was getting off the A417. That was an embarrassing phone call to the boss. I now have the record for handover to damage.
I have had two blow outs , the first was a pothole and the second was when a garage left all the wheel nuts finger tight . 3 minutes at 80 mph and it went bang .
All four of those are caused by tyre damage.
It re-enforces the point that tyres do not randomly blow out

At work we replace more tyres due to damage than wear. Tyres only pop due to under inflation (which is often caused by damage as both of you describe)
I will discipline drivers who don't check their tyres daily and if they get knicked for a bald tyre they deserve everything they get.

I generally fit Landsail cheapies to vans because they will get a nail through them before they go bald.
On lorries I generally put Bridgestones on because the agro and costs of a puncture are huge
 
#76
Dunno what you're all going on about. My first set of wheels, 14 horse Lea Francis, developed bald tyres. I took it to Old Bakers scrap yard, round the back of Temple Meads, and he cut a new diamond pattern in them with some sort of gizmo. Good as new. Carried on till the canvas was through. Never had a puncture!
 
#77
All four of those are caused by tyre damage.
It re-enforces the point that tyres do not randomly blow out

At work we replace more tyres due to damage than wear. Tyres only pop due to under inflation (which is often caused by damage as both of you describe)
I will discipline drivers who don't check their tyres daily and if they get knicked for a bald tyre they deserve everything they get.

I generally fit Landsail cheapies to vans because they will get a nail through them before they go bald.
On lorries I generally put Bridgestones on because the agro and costs of a puncture are huge
I have Landsail on my Picanto (on Alloys) this is the first time I have had this make of tyre. Are they a good choice to stick with ?
 
#78
As for the safety aspect of putting them on the rear, I see the argument they are making, but it seems to be based (in all the advice/'research' I've read) on the vehicle being driven by a seventeen year old on drugs. If you drive like such a dick as to be needing the rears to hold on because you've lost the front then, frankly, the amount of tread on the tyre is going to be irrelevant, as you're going to be pulling it out of a hedge on a regular basis.
Exactly. Whilst, no doubt, the argument they make is correct, it is based entirely on two conflicting premises; firstly that the driver is incapable of judging the road conditions and will be driving beyond the limits of the tyres capabilities without realising; secondly that the driver is that in tune with his cars handling that a change in the balance in grip between front and rear will cause him problems.

The time when I want my tyres to perform to the absolute best of their ability is when I have to slam my brakes on, and the front tyres are the ones which matter in this event.
 
#79
Dunno what you're all going on about. My first set of wheels, 14 horse Lea Francis, developed bald tyres. I took it to Old Bakers scrap yard, round the back of Temple Meads, and he cut a new diamond pattern in them with some sort of gizmo. Good as new. Carried on till the canvas was through. Never had a puncture!
LOL just after my demob 25 years ago , I had an old volvo 340 and no spare cash , and 4 bald tyres, didn't realise how bad until my brother asked me to tow a renault van up from Yorkshire on a u tow , every timeI touched the brakes we just about changed ends or jack knifed ... Thought I'd better put new tyres on Kwikies were doing a deal on "Stomil tyres (they became Debica) tread as deep as a tractor tyre '

I was driving loads at that time. I sold the car two years and 60,000 miles later, hardest wearing tyres I ever came across

Got my grandkids in the car with me often these days ...budget tyres aren't worth the risk
 
#80
I found a private 'Car Accident & Insurance' local Company,that specialises in not only the accident repairs, but also buys and rebuilds Mercedes Cars ( any series ) as a sideline. Seems he has an IN with several Merc. Dealers who can't be bothered to do that sort of work,as it takes up so much time & locks up their available Mechanics, and hence sell it on to him,or pay him to do the job instead.

He also has a very good connection with a vast range of tyre outlets - the prices are unbelieveably good - I was intro'd to him by an Aston Martin owner - who now has a 12cyl DB7 Vantage ,you can imagine the cost to that car , per corner !! ( and this one does 185mph....)

As a previous poster said - if you have a fast car - you need to buy manufacturers recommendation, in only fitting the high speed ones, that are also required by Law AND your Insurer !!

I had a mid 70's AMV8,where the tyres had to be good for at least 150mph - the going price being £220-£250 per tyre - found a local specialist ( like another poster said ) who got them for £120 including the fitting / balancing ( think they were Avon Turbo Steel ?? ) and that saved me ,lots of cash,as he also serviced and repaired AM's....

On the train recently,read an article about either a Lambo / Ferrari / ?? had a new model, whose tyres cost £2,000 - EACH.....yes it's a road going one, the usual 200mph + - must be a Squillionaire, of course,who will buy it !!
 

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