Cormorants ability to provide NEC!

#1
Ive been given a little project to complete, by my YofS.

What is Cormorants ability to provide NEC?

If anyone has any information or know where to get information from it would be greatly appreciated.

I have loads of information on NEC but not where cormorant fits into it.

Cheers
 
#4
I know a few people who work on the contract. Try the link below. If you don't get the help you need after explaining who you are then PM me and I might be able to put you in touch with someone.

http://www.eads.com/web/lang/en/1024/content/OF00000000400004/0/18/40629180.html

If it's more general information you're after, cut and paste the following text into google and a UK sites search!

cormorant communications -bird -birds -hotel -"cormorant -communications"
 
#5
cheers bits, but ive looked at most articles on the subject and ive also got Cormorant CONOPs which has great detial. However im just struggling to fit it all into place and how it goes along with NEC. Basically the i need information on cormorant network ability to command.

Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated!!
 
#6
Since NEC is a concept rather than a physical thing (and one that nearly no-one fully understands, nevermind could explain clearly) it sounds like what you're after is a conceptual justification rather than technical detail. Is your YofS asking you to write a technical piece or to explain at a conceptual level? I'll see what I can do, but the chaps I know work on the technical side.

It might be worth contacting RSS and asking for their help, since the instructors there would surely be the best placed to explain how future systems enhance NEC in terms of the conceptual model. From my imperfect understanding of the NEC concept, an equipment cannot 'provide NEC', but can only enhance capability through improving the effectiveness of the interrelated or 'networked' relationship between people, procedures and equipment. Please correct me if I have got this wrong!!!
 
#7
Its talking like that which really helps me out, its trying to understand that its a concept rather than a physical facility that i am trying to get my head round, never mind write about. However your information as it is really helped.

Cheers
 
#8
QinetiQ,

Is this project:

a. one set by your Yeoman to see if you are up to a particular standard

or

b. a question set your Yeoman by your CO that he hasn't the whit nor will to answer.
 
#9
Glad it helps. Try this as a starter for 10:

As I understand it, NEC, or network enabled capability, is a conceptual model to help us understand the importance of the relationship or 'network' between our people, procedures and equipment. The network it describes is not a bunch of networked systems all capable of talking to each other, although for obvious reasons if all our systems were capable of that it would greatly enhance our capabilities to communicate and hence C2 would be made easier. The network in NEC is about joining everything up - people, procedures and equipment - in one big coherent system, and so NEC is all about making ourselves ever more efficient and capable in the process. So it seems like your YofS is asking you to explain (at a semi-technical level) how Cormorant helps take us one step closer to NEC (at a conceptual level).

I'm wasted on the army, I should have been a school teacher!!! :)
 
#10
Very interesting to read on the...

www.army.mod.uk/royalsignals/equipment/digital.html

Site about all the new kit out there.

Mind I do think those who write the page might need a heads up on their terminology.

I really don’t think that Mr Keating Jr. would take to or like the phraseology...

“is extensively used to multiplex “. Re his Promina kit...

As...

A. It doesn’t. “In the traditional sense of the term”. I know it does “support TDM and ISDN and all the rest ATM /IP (if you like to Scream and Shout) but it is not a multiplexer”. ” In the traditional sense of the term”

B. How come the Army is calling it Promina. Been called by its new names for over 5 years.

Or

C. The Army is buying OLD (COTS)... God forbid.

Also I do know that all those terms were found on the NET web page....

http://www.net.com/products/products_promina.shtml

I also have a link to this site; it must be true as it’s on the web...

http://www.alien-ufos.com/
 
#11
old_bloke said:
http://www.net.com/products/products_promina.shtml
While leveraging the bandwidth-on-demand (BoD) benefits of frame and cell-based solutions, Promina can configure and maintain quality of service (QoS) guarantees for optimal application transport.
BoD??? Thats why the voice channels still continue take up a major chunk of the Bandwidth and I get whinged at for logging onto subversive websites (ARRSE). Yep we really needed that Active Directory syncrhonisation
 
#12
QinetiQ,

Check yer PM's
 
#14
H5N1 said:
hmmmmmm

Network - Everything sharing - Never gonna happen

Enabled - Run by civilians - Won't ever work

Capability = Zero
Isn't it a pity that some people are just so cynical they are happy to sit in the past, p1ssing their pants and muttering "humbug"

Rather than griping all the time why don't you do your little bit to at least attempt to approach the vision. I am now in the Defence Industry but I don't forget who, ultimately, I am working for (and it's not DPA, DEC, Cust 1 or 2, it's the troops on the ground) therefore I bang on about this subject often to my collegues who sometimes forget. I may be considered subversive but I have the right interests at heart.

Going back to the NEC - don't get hung up about it just being to do with networks, it's not. NEC is a vehicle to guide the coherent integration of sensor, weapon,
decision-maker and support capabilities. The GCN vision forms the network element of the NEC.
 
#15
Chris..........My old fromage miester......I don't sit in the past........I just feel that to get where NEC wants to be, we are starting from the wrong place.
And too many key system which would be needed to be intergrated for this to work will not be due to a SCIF mentality at the product/information delivery level.
 
#16
H5N1 said:
Chris..........My old fromage miester......I don't sit in the past........I just feel that to get where NEC wants to be, we are starting from the wrong place.
And too many key system which would be needed to be intergrated for this to work will not be due to a SCIF mentality at the product/information delivery level.
You may feel that we are starting in the wrong place but what/where is the right place to start?

My humble opinion is that NEC/GCN/GII and the whole end-to-end thing should have been kicked of in about 1998. Unfortunately it wasn't and today we are where we are.

It is going to be difficult to achieve NEC/GCN as we not only need to consider what we want to be but what we are now. The current capability cannot be taken away but it needs to be "modified" in a controlled manner to at least partially meet the NEC needs.

I shall be controversial and offer the opinion that there are a lot of toothless tigers trying to create policy and architecture - produciing lots of shiny documents but not actually DOING anything. I am probably wrong in that assumption but that is how it appears to me from where I sit.
 
#17
QQ et al

My work is right in the middle of providing NEC capability, more at the level that Bits describes(and from the human/user angle) rather than an individual systems level (though i am involved with a couple of projects at this level too!)

The essence of NEC is the ability to provide, enhance and share situational awareness (SA). SA being the Favourite buzz word of the moment. It boils down to the fact that I know something and thus i want to be able to tell everybody I'm working with what I know and as soon as possible. This largely involves computing systems, but its important to recognise that it doesn't have to! And the biggest problem we are facing is infromatin overlaod and trust. Because of all the systems being hooked up their is a real risk of decision makers at all levels ahving to look at too much information and thus being "frozen" from making a decision in a timely manner. (buzz phrase is "paralysis by analysis").

There is a load more on this high level aspect i can give you, but I'm guessing you need to fit it together with where cormorant fits in!

OS
 
#18
Chris...........do you feel that it will be done, at top level, with a fingers crossed, hope and pray that it all works attitude?
Mind you, that's normally DPA!
 
#19
H5N1 said:
Chris...........do you feel that it will be done, at top level, with a fingers crossed, hope and pray that it all works attitude?
Mind you, that's normally DPA!
As if I would even dare to think something like that!
 

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