Corbyn the communist spy!

I think AAA invented the 'surprised moose' pose most loved by the scholars.

( 2 spread out palms next to the head, usually used to deliver some inarguable point from the Quran)
If he hadn't headbutted a hellfire off some Reaper, he'd have started doing the Dan Biggar shuffle whilst calling for "Death to the West".

 
Not read the whole thread, apologies if already said;

What exactly is a back bench MP supposed to be able to spill to a Czech spook anyway?

Tbh if he took £10 for, basically, nothing, well done him.
 
It's a well trodden path, dude. It's never about the now, It's about the future.

You get someone to get you something which you could get open source anyway. No harm no foul.

Then something else, but pay for their expenses.

Then something a bit more... or just wait for them to be in a useful place.

You never ask someone for something they'll never give, make it easy; "let's talk about the things you find unacceptable".

As Virgil put it:

The gates of hell are open night and day; Smooth the descent, and easy is the way...
 

goodoldboy

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Looking at Corbyn's CHIS report, there is detail on there such as his DoB which wouldn't have been immediately available to the person filling in the form. Unless that person was Corbyn himself or he was helping the handler fill the report in.

I wonder how many 'friends' or their 'younger relatives' have reached out to Corbyn since last year that haven't been seen not heard of since the 80s.
 
What exactly is a back bench MP supposed to be able to spill to a Czech spook anyway?

Tbh if he took £10 for, basically, nothing, well done him.
Potential blackmail material, present or future, for one thing. All sorts of juicy titbits could be picked up in the Commons, especially in the late-night bars. And once Corbyn himself took that tenner (assuming he did) he, too, would be susceptible to future pressure. Efficient intelligence services tend to take a long view of things.
 
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Not read the whole thread, apologies if already said;

What exactly is a back bench MP supposed to be able to spill to a Czech spook anyway?

Tbh if he took £10 for, basically, nothing, well done him.
During the 50's and 60's the eastern bloc states were desperate for hard currencies. For that they needed favourable trade deals with the west. I presume that was still the case into the 80's. Any MP who was sympathetic to the cause was seen as a potential ally in the trade war. Far from being a spy, I would imagine Corbyn was courted as a useful idiot.
The Stasi Files by Anthony Glees ISBN 0-7432-3104-X is worth a read as it specifically deals with East German operations against Britain.
 
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@Murphy_Slaw

A top recommendation, if I may say.

Professor Glees is on the staff of University of Buckingham, and runs the centre for Intelligence and Security Studies.

Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies (BUCSIS) | University of Buckingham

Friend of mine earned his MA from there, and is (inbetween work) working up to a PhD on the early history of the Intelligence Corps (Hopefully not entitled, "The Intelligence Corps, Making Shit Up Since 1940?")

Other such centres are available, may I recommend Aberystwyth ?

Centre for Intelligence and International Security Studies

By the sea, loads of pubs, and the College tie has a pair of dragons on it! Tidy.
 
Professor Glees is on the staff of University of Buckingham, and runs the centre for Intelligence and Security Studies.
The fly leaf on the cover of my copy says he was "one of the last researchers to gain access to the Stasi archive in Berlin before the German Government reclassified key parts of it as secret in 2002"
Would probably be an interesting guy to have a beer with. I wonder if he found anything about Bugsy in his research!
 
Potential blackmail material, present or future, for one thing. All sorts of juicy titbits could be picked up in the Commons, especially in the late-night bars. And once Corbyn himself took that tenner (assuming he did) he, too, would be susceptible to future pressure. Efficient intelligence services tend to take a long view of things.
Foot took KGB money too......a fact hotly denied by the far left - right up until the time his KGB file proved it....then they switched to the 'so what?' track without a pause or hint of embarrassment, same with CND, for years denied being funded by the KGB, then when the files were released Bruce Kent said 'so what?' Men of honour? Nope
 
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It’s understandable that you have that opinion, since Capitalism has been the predominant “ideology” (I use the term loosely) as long as any of us have been alive.
Just so long as we recognise that Capitalism is fully espoused by the Socialists who vilify it. At least Capitalism has an element of Aspiration as opposed to the Rich political leaders who want all the trappings but none of the stigma and just aspire that those in charge stay in charge. Plus ca change? eh
 
Just about every state has imposed Socialism from above. That's a sure way to ensure its demise. If the system isn't supported by the majority of citizens, then it's not viable. It's as simple as that.
For socialism to work it would need to be supported by every single member. Not by just a majority.
After all; most people in this country support one version or another of democratic capitalism, but you don't like that do you old love? And by your own admission you want to change it against the will of the majority.
 
And by your own admission you want to change it against the will of the majority.
Helpfully doctrine teaches that the majority do not know what is good for them.

Thanks to capitalist hegemony (control of the ideology), they do not realise their best interests. So the vanguard of the workers, the party, must lead them out of this false class consciousness.

And then they will know what is good for them, which is socialism.

So really, "History will absolve me" as Castro put it.

Please stand, and party on down Tovarisch.

It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.

Then raise the scarlet standard high.
Beneath its shade we'll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We'll keep the red flag flying here.


 
It's a well trodden path, dude. It's never about the now, It's about the future.

You get someone to get you something which you could get open source anyway. No harm no foul.

Then something else, but pay for their expenses.

Then something a bit more... or just wait for them to be in a useful place.

You never ask someone for something they'll never give, make it easy; "let's talk about the things you find unacceptable".

As Virgil put it:

Yeah but nobody in their right mind would have imagined even five years ago that Corbyn would ever, ever, ever have access to anything at all. Nor be in a position to influence anyone, be useful to anyone.


If I was the Czech head of spookery and Agent X said he'd coughed £10k to Jeremy - when £10k was a lot of money - I'd have shoved Agent X in to the traffic police pronto.



On my original point though, remember the "hissing Sid" security training video we used to get?

The honey trap one led us all to plan that, if a hot Russian babe pulled such a stunt, we'd basically pretend to be all clued up, nail her, then tell the security cell and post the blackmail photos up in the NAAFI.

Maybe JC was doing the financial equivalent.
 

DaManBugs

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For socialism to work it would need to be supported by every single member. Not by just a majority.
After all; most people in this country support one version or another of democratic capitalism, but you don't like that do you old love? And by your own admission you want to change it against the will of the majority.
You seem to conveniently forget that no-one in any Capitalist country was (or has been) ever given a choice of system. But I will grant you that most in the UK are sympathetic to some form of democratic Capitalism, except (one) they're never going to get it and (two) Capitalism has no use whatsoever for democracy. I mean, imagine the damage to the money-making organisations in the UK if democratic decisions were the order of the day in a social and also economic sense. Why, you'd be having folks demanding equal justice next!

The Brits (and not only they) have endured around a thousand years or so of being constantly told that they're too thick to make any real decisions and they should leave that up to the "leaders". It just so happens that those very same "leaders" are also the members of the privileged classes who're most interested in keeping the plebs dumbed down so that they can be more easily fleeced. As I've already mentioned, basically it's just the feudal system with a few bells and whistles.

By the way, should anyone actually be contemplating reading this book:

I really wouldn't bother if I were you. Take the time to visit the page and read the (five abysmal) reviews it has.

MsG
 
I really wouldn't bother if I were you. Take the time to visit the page and read the (five abysmal) reviews it has.
<img src="https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/31Owq24JLeL._CR1,0,217,217_SX48_.jpg">
Frontkämpfer
1.0 out of 5 starsDisappointing effort
9 July 2008
Format: Paperback
I think a previous reader struck the right chord when suggested that this work had been badly cobbled together and had been written in a style that borders on sensationalism. To some this might suggest an exciting and fast-paced read, but to those of us who might wish to see a deeper and more thoughtful analysis it is an utter disappointment.


As for the author's German, here is a man who once during a seminar got all flustered at being corrected over his translation of "Völkischer Beobachter" as "ethnic observer". Yes, I studied under this fellow.

This is you isn't Bugsy?

By the way, why don't you read it. If I only read books on the basis of an Amazon readers review, I would have a very small library!
 

seaweed

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Book Reviewer
Potential blackmail material, present or future, for one thing. All sorts of juicy titbits could be picked up in the Commons, especially in the late-night bars. And once Corbyn himself took that tenner (assuming he did) he, too, would be susceptible to future pressure. Efficient intelligence services tend to take a long view of things.
Exact. Recruit junior people, you never know who might end up as a Privy Councillor. Of course, being rather cynical realists, Corby's keepers must have despised him as a person as much as I do.
 

ancienturion

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