Corbyn the communist spy!

#61
There's more here:

‘Stupid’ Jeremy Corbyn willingly supplied COMMUNIST REGIME in bid to ’undermine democracy’

Corbyn, the weaselly little cretin - could you imagine him being PM? he'd try to disband the forces even faster than the last few governments have. He's nothing but a liar and a fool.
Whilst you are quoting the used toilet paper of valid information, I dont really care...that labour party have sold themselves to the far left, which ironically serves against their (ex) core voters.

Bringing in subhuman scum from the third world, ensuring that british working class men and women (and their children) are at a disadvantage (unless they are super smart females and/or some mutant gender) is now the labour party manifesto.

Now they have completely lost their way, I wonder who will take that vote? It wont be Corbyn and friends.
 
#62
I once voted for the Communist Party of Great Britain during the 1971 general election as a joke whilst serving in a 'Y' Sigint Unit........ should I hand myself over to the the RMP, or stand outside the Arrse Officers Mess Admin Office and await the 'Duke to come and rebuke me for being a tit all those years ago.o_O
Once upon a time there was a senior Civil Serpent who had a rather unusual name.

And standing as a Communist Candidate in a General Election was somebody with exactly the same name.

Now you might think that it would have been but the work of moments to compare details. And would not have involved groups of humourless men in bad, lumpy suits and size 12 boots.

Guess what?
 
#63
Now they have completely lost their way, I wonder who will take that vote? It wont be Corbyn and friends.
It depends on how many more lies they will tell at the next election. Last time they told students they would pretty much stop uni fees, and were promising basically everything to everyone (by borrowing money again). You also had students voting more than once. There's also the fact now that the country has nearly been over run by migrants that vote for commie corbyn and co. These are the people that are voting for Labour.

When I was a little younger the country basically had 2 parties, and most people up north voted for labour. Now labour are a joke so we are left with the conservatives. The only reason I voted for them was I believed at the time that May would get Brexit sorted and pushed through - and if she doesn't I can't see me voting again anytime soon as it's getting to the stage where there's nobody left worth voting for.
 
#64
Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson said Mr Corbyn "cannot be trusted".
"Time and time again he has sided with those who want to destroy everything that is great about this country,"
How dare he try to destroy everything great about this country.





That's the job of the Tories, surely?
 
#66
Just wondering what is behind this story? Not much use to the Conservatives at this time, they would have best kept for the next (whenever) GE run up. One Corbyn MP said yesterday it was Blairite smear, could be, is this the start of a campaign of whispering to lead up to an internal palace coup to knock him off his bike. Or, is this something started by EU/Brux/Berlin who have accepted Brexit and want to deal with PM TM and not the shambolic administration of the Old Trot? given to-days EU security meeting do they trust him with their Int?
This leak started with archive material in Cz Rep and it appears Berlin, Mrs M have a Stasi file on him.

Will there be a drip, drip of releases on this topic.
 
#68
I think some Corbyn supporters will approve of this saying it shows him as a man of peace and forward thinking and some will just say it’s old history. It’s all spinnable if you can get away with having abbot in your cabinet you really can fool a lot of fools some of the time.
 
#69
Scene: inside a smoky cafe on the outskirts of Moscow. An elderly man sits across a table from a young FSB agent.

Elderly man: Corbyn? *takes a long drag on his cigarette and exhales* Haven't heard that name in a long time. Craziest guy I ever met, all he wanted to do was give away secrets and hump this horrible girlfriend he called 'the Abbott'. We had to ditch him in the end, we weren't communist for him and he disagreed with the idea of reconciling with the West.
 
#71
If he denies it he's defo guilty, that's exactly what a spy would do.
Well, not neccessarily.

Guy Burgess apparently went so extravert to induce people into thinking he couldn't possibly be a spy.
 
#72
Scene: inside a smoky cafe on the outskirts of Moscow. An elderly man sits across a table from a young FSB agent.

Elderly man: Corbyn? *takes a long drag on his cigarette and exhales* Haven't heard that name in a long time. Craziest guy I ever met, all he wanted to do was give away secrets and hump this horrible girlfriend he called 'the Abbott'. We had to ditch him in the end, we weren't communist for him and he disagreed with the idea of reconciling with the West.
I have often wondered if the Russians have an equivalent to Le Carre? It is the sort of thing that one can imagine being worked into good literary depictions of The Great Game.

On my reading pile is a good example of the Cold War case study:

The Billion Dollar Spy: A True Story of Cold War Espionage and Betrayal by David E. Hoffman

So, whilst it may be a bit odd - we shouldn't forgive such conduct. How quickly as a country we forget the time and the threat, both perceived and actual.

HMG had to expell 90 Russian "diplomats" in 1971, Georgi Markov was assassinated by the Warsaw-Pact alinged intelligence officers in 1978 - You cannot say that by 1986 JC could not have been aware of the nature of Warsaw-pact intelligence operations.

We of course know now that the Russians were establishing arms caches throughout Western Europe (thanks to The Mitrokhin Archive).

So there is no doubt about the threat. And JC met with a "diplomat" from that Warsaw Pact country......

So either, he is so naive as to be unfit to lead the country.

Or incautious in who he meets. Or untrustworthy.
 
#73
Having spent a few years attending diplomatic functions, I'm sure I spoke with FIS officers on a number of occasions - knowingly and unknowing. I'm sure, too, there I am noted in some archives, somewhere, as are indeed my notes of interesting people I shared soggy canapes with. I have served my time. My sentence was being sent to the Interminably tedious central Asian and Gulf national days. No alcohol, dire food, dreadful national anthems and most with a personal hygiene issue. Simply dreadful.
 
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#74
Was he ever alive? He always seemed to me to be an angry zombie on amphetamine. There was no personality, humour or soul to be found just an angry hollow shell in non-stop bullshit ranting mode.

My grandad said if you heard him on the radio in the next room he sounded just like Hitler.


I think he got it from "Dear Bill" in the Eye.
 
#75
Sky actually discussing Labour MPs taking payment to meet spies. It seemed to me at least that the news presenter and the Mirror journalist seemed to be keen to play it down. The other guest, rightly aired his concerns. BBC silent as ever.
 
#76
Comrade Corbyn was no spy, he was just a tad too friendly with all sorts of Commies, Socialists, Maoists and alleged Terrorists and was just spreading "Fraternal Greetings" to all.... (snigger)
To my mind this is one of the many problems with the Labour Party; they welcome all manner of lefties to their party, regardless of grasp of reality. As an example, Trotskyites are quite welcome, as are Marxists of all stripes (except those who follow Groucho, that is), communists and so on. The net result is a collective of people who range from the more or less sane to the utterly deranged, and all points in between.

By contrast, the Tories shun the extremist right wing and are fairly rigorous about excluding the bonkers extremists. If a member cannot stand up and argue their point rationally, politely and without recourse to pure faith, then they get the boot.

Thus the Tory Party has in its constitution a means by which a failing leader may be deposed by the democratic will of a majority of the party, whereas the Labour Party has no such clauses, lest the party turn into one long argument.

The net result is Jeremy Corbyn, Gordon Brown and their manky colleagues. Tony Blair was an exception to this rule in being both superficially sane and generally quite popular for most of his tenure as Great Leader. Corbyn has already lost a confidence vote, yet remains and presides over a slow decline of Labour as a force in politics; had the Labour Party actually had some discrimination against borderline lunatics, they might still be on course for power in the very near future.
 
#77
Compare and contrast someone like Attlee with Corbyn.

Attlee lead a government that founded the welfare state as we know it.

But he set his face like flint against communist subversion.

Clement Attlee: Cold War records reveal new side to popular prime minister

"Citizen Clem” should be seen as a vociferous Cold War warrior. A dedicated anti-communist, Attlee used MI5 to fight communism at home and on Labour’s own backbenches.

"Citizen Clem”, hero of the post-war welfare state and hardened “socialist”, should also be seen as a Cold War warrior, willing to use British intelligence to fight Soviet communism and maintain social democratic values.
Or we could have the perpetual 6th form student, rebelling against everything and promising everything to everyone.

Attlle would roll in his grave watching Corbyn. He instituted policy to help people escape from the five giants of 'Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness'', and defended the country and parliamentary democracy.

Corbyn is pissing his legacy up the wall quite frankly.
 

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#78
Ooh! Shades of the Cold War on this thread and no mistake. Why is it that every time someone makes mention of Socialist (not Communist) policies in the UK, they're immediately accused of being "anti-British"? They're not. What they want is, as stated, a few more Socialist policies to make life more just and more equitable in a venomously Capitalist and ruthlessly materialistic country like the UK. Is that so bad?

Why shouldn't public services be run for the good of the public? Why doggedly transfer them all (or most of them) to the so-called "private sector" when that demonstrably costs billions more, invariably fails long-term and also brings in the condition of absolute non-accountability.

Politics in the UK have been driven so relentlessly to the far right by self-serving gobshites like Kinnock and especially the Thatcher creature and successive Labour and Tory berks that anything deviating from the strict neo-liberal line of making the rich richer and the poor poorer is summarily dismissed as "Communism", but remember that what Corbyn advocates for UK society would've been regarded as mildly centre-left in the 1960s and 1970s.

There's no concrete evidence whatsoever that Corbyn, or anyone else in the Labour Party was ever a so-called "Communist spy". It all hangs on the word of an alleged former Czech secret service agent who was discredited by the Czech authorities as a phantasist when he tried to sell a similar story to the Germans in 2003. Don't take the hysterical Daily Mail/Express/Telegraph desperate propaganda at face value, because it's bogus.

I mean, apart from the inculcated bollix, does anyone on ARRSE really understand the Communist, or even the Socialist, ideology? I don't mean the totally discredited dictatorships of the Soviet Union or the Eastern Bloc countries, but the genuine article.

MsG
 
#79
To my mind this is one of the many problems with the Labour Party; they welcome all manner of lefties to their party, regardless of grasp of reality. As an example, Trotskyites are quite welcome, as are Marxists of all stripes (except those who follow Groucho, that is), communists and so on. The net result is a collective of people who range from the more or less sane to the utterly deranged, and all points in between.

By contrast, the Tories shun the extremist right wing and are fairly rigorous about excluding the bonkers extremists. If a member cannot stand up and argue their point rationally, politely and without recourse to pure faith, then they get the boot.

Thus the Tory Party has in its constitution a means by which a failing leader may be deposed by the democratic will of a majority of the party, whereas the Labour Party has no such clauses, lest the party turn into one long argument.

The net result is Jeremy Corbyn, Gordon Brown and their manky colleagues. Tony Blair was an exception to this rule in being both superficially sane and generally quite popular for most of his tenure as Great Leader. Corbyn has already lost a confidence vote, yet remains and presides over a slow decline of Labour as a force in politics; had the Labour Party actually had some discrimination against borderline lunatics, they might still be on course for power in the very near future.
..Marxists of all stripes (except those who follow Groucho, that is)..
Membership of the Groucho is, however, positively welcomed.
 
#80
There's no concrete evidence whatsoever that Corbyn, or anyone else in the Labour Party was ever a so-called "Communist spy". It all hangs on the word of an alleged former Czech secret service agent
Yet more double standards I see. Why is it that it's okay for the left to condemn a conservative MP or right wing commentator on a lack of evidence but when the boot is on the other foot, you demand concrete and irrefutable evidence.
 

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