Corbyn the communist spy!

The point is that BoJo is a shit FS who alienates countries, he's a fecking anti diplomat.
which is nice...... but as this is about St Jezza of Corbyn being a StB asset (or MfS, take your pick, he probably did...) I'm guessing StB the Stasi were too busy running ops against their own and West Germans,

Do you really think, given what we know about Jeza's liking for left-wing terrorism and hard-line Communist dictatorships, that he'd ever pass a vetting check? If no then surely you see he's not fit to run for a bus, never mind a major serious political party with an important job to do
 
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I don’t share your view that the Stasi was as reprehensible as the Gestapo, SA, etc. There are a few reasons for that. Firstly, Nazi Germany wasn’t under constant attack from foreign (outside) elements, so their repressive organs were solely to put the shits up the populace with illegal actions that weren’t covered by any laws or directives. . . .

MsG
Utter rubbish. The Geheime Staatspolizei was a State organisation, having become a national (as opposed to a solely Prussian) police organ in 1936 with the appointment of one H Himmler as Chef der Deutschen Polizei. Thus, it's remit and very existence was wholly in accord with German law of the time, no matter how reprehensible those laws may have been.

The Sturmabteilung was only ever a Party organisation, serving only the NSDAP. In 1933, in the wake of the Reichstag fire, many SA men were employed as Police Auxiliaries (Hilfspolizei) though their effectiveness was minimal and most soon returned to the SA.
 
I don’t share your view that the Stasi was as reprehensible as the Gestapo, SA,
How do you feel about KZ guards? I ask because in 1945 the NKVD kept the likes of Sachsenhausen concentration camp open for 'undesirables' and in 1950 handed it over to your friends the MfS

NKVD special camps in Germany 1945–49 - Wikipedia

On January 6, 1950 the camps were handed over to the East German government,[2] who tried the remaining detainees.[2] About 123,000 Germans and 35,000 citizens of other nations were detained, at least 43,000 of whom did not survive.[2]
The Political Bureau of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union decided on 28 September 1949 to hand the camps over to the authorities of the German Democratic Republic (East Germany), that was about to be established from the Soviet occupation zone in Germany.[2]The East German republic was founded on 7 October 1949. On 6 January 1950, Soviet Minister of Internal Affairs Kruglov ordered[30] the handing over to the East German Ministry of Internal Affairs of 10,513 inmates for further detention and of 3,500 for trial.[2]
Wrong kind of 'socialism' obviously
 
The Sturmabteilung was only ever a Party organisation, serving only the NSDAP. In 1933, in the wake of the Reichstag fire, many SA men were employed as Police Auxiliaries (Hilfspolizei) though their effectiveness was minimal and most soon returned to the SA.[/QUOTE]
Utter rubbish. The Geheime Staatspolizei was a State organisation, having become a national (as opposed to a solely Prussian) police organ in 1936 with the appointment of one H Himmler as Chef der Deutschen Polizei. Thus, it's remit and very existence was wholly in accord with German law of the time, no matter how reprehensible those laws may have been.

The Sturmabteilung was only ever a Party organisation, serving only the NSDAP. In 1933, in the wake of the Reichstag fire, many SA men were employed as Police Auxiliaries (Hilfspolizei) though their effectiveness was minimal and most soon returned to the SA.
So to find the 10,000 extra police promised a Home Sec Abbott will appoint Momentum members as Police Auxilaries? to track down wacists, bankers, Daily Mail readers and assorted Tories?
 
So to find the 10,000 extra police promised a Home Sec Abbott will appoint Momentum members as Police Auxilaries? to track down wacists, bankers, Daily Mail readers and assorted Tories?
More likely to be turned against true labour supporters in a homage to the the purges of Menshavicks, socialists (the right types) Trotskyists and anyone on the even vaguely left that Comrade Corbyn Stalin didn't like - splitters
 

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The Sturmabteilung was only ever a Party organisation, serving only the NSDAP. In 1933, in the wake of the Reichstag fire, many SA men were employed as Police Auxiliaries (Hilfspolizei) though their effectiveness was minimal and most soon returned to the SA.
Correct. My mistake. I meant SD and not SA. My apologies for that.

MsG
 

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How do you feel about KZ guards? I ask because in 1945 the NKVD kept the likes of Sachsenhausen concentration camp open for 'undesirables' and in 1950 handed it over to your friends the MfS

NKVD special camps in Germany 1945–49 - Wikipedia
Sachsenhausen was handed over in January 1950. A couple of months after that, all such camps were closed and most of the prisoners freed. So what's your point?

MsG
 

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Posted by FriedAlfie (aka FiveAlpha, aka Pile_Screwer, aka Bile_Spewer) and taken from his now deleted ARRSEpedia page.
I deliberately put by at least one day a week to trawl through the posts of those who have WRONGED me. ME! THEY WRONGED ME! I currently have a long list of names, addresses, phone numbers and in a few cases regimental numbers of certain individuals. Strangely enough they're mostly of our part-time brethren who are less than subtle in their PERSEC drills.

A few are civilians and in one case, after I PM'd him with his name and town location, he tried to get me banned, citing I'd 'compromised' him and he feared for his safety. Can AI's be compromised?
And what's all that got to do with the subject of this thread?

MsG
 
Sachsenhausen was handed over in January 1950. A couple of months after that, all such camps were closed and most of the prisoners freed. So what's your point?

MsG
that your friends in the Stasi kept the camps open for months where the dying continued before transferring many of the inmates to other camps, therefore fulfilling the same role as the KZ guards - hope this helps - there's a memorial stone in the camp pointing out this continuation under the DDR.

So you're defending camp guards - as long as they are the 'right sort' of camp guards........interesting, shows your moral compass too. Remember this next time when you get all upset that someone's mentioned your love for the DDR and you start spurting out the old 'when have I ever defended the state?' line - here is a prime example.

Meanwhile, more evidence of the link between the Gestapo and youe Stasi friends:

Stasi

You are the Shield and Sword of the party Bugsy
 
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Sachsenhausen was handed over in January 1950. A couple of months after that, all such camps were closed and most of the survivng prisoners freed. So what's your point?

MsG
My bold and FoC. I would imagine the, roughly, 30% who didn't survive didn't care so all is okay. :cool:

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that your friends in the Stasi kept the camps open for months where the dying continued before transferring many of the inmates to other camps, therefore fulfilling the same role as the KZ guards - hope this helps - there's a memorial stone in the camp pointing out this continuation under the DDR.

So you're defending camp guards - as long as they are the 'right sort' of camp guards........interesting, shows your moral compass too. Remember this next time when you get all upset that someone's mentioned your love for the DDR and you start spurting out the old 'when have I ever defended the state?' line - here is a prime example.

Meanwhile, more evidence of the link between the Gestapo and youe Stasi friends:

Stasi

You are the Shield and Sword of the party Bugsy
What is it with you? Just because I have some ex-Stasi friends, you assume (wrongly) that I defend anything associated with the organisation. That's not the case at all. You say: "you're defending camp guards" as a definitive statement, when it's really just your own, biased personal opinion. An assumption that has no basis in fact.

You single-mindedly pursue some fantasised notion that the Stasi had an agent or a nark on practically every street corner, watching folks intensely and just waiting to pounce. From personal and practical experience I know for a fact that the allegedly all-pervading presence of the Stasi that you passionately espouse is a myth. On an everyday and normal basis, the Stasi "influence" was negligible. Millions of GDR citizens went about their daily occasions and were never bothered/hassled by the Stasi. Sure, they were a complete pain in the arse as a potential constant background presence, but it was entirely possible to live a rich and fulfilling life in the GDR without every coming into contact with them.

Indeed, since 9/11, when "terrorism" became the enemy de jour, many of my good friends in the former GDR state that the intensity of surveillance and the limitations imposed on their human and civil rights goes far further than anything they ever experienced with the Stasi. And those are exactly the folks who're in a position to make accurate and relevant comparisons.

But let's just assume for a moment that the Stasi really was this malignant and evil organisation that spooks around in your head. We, allegedly, knowhow they operated, so why aren't we doing all we can to prevent a repeat performance in our own countries? Look at the way many Capitalist nations are adopting highly authoritarian approaches to "uphold the law" and no-one's doing anything to stop them. George Orwell's 1984 is just around the corner and we're all walking blindly into it. That should give us food for thought.

MsG
 
Snip GDR citizens went about their daily occasions and were never bothered/hassled by the Stasi. Sure, they were a complete pain in the arse as a potential constant background presence, but it was entirely possible to live a rich and fulfilling life in the GDR without every coming into contact with them.

/QUOTE]


A lot like the Gestapo then?
"Contrary to popular belief, the Gestapo was not the all-pervasive, omnipotent agency in German society. In Germany proper, many towns and cities had fewer than 50 official Gestapo personnel. For example, in 1939 Stettin and Frankfurt am Main only had a total of 41 Gestapo men combined. In Düsseldorf, the local Gestapo office of only 281 men were responsible for the entire Lower Rhine region, which comprised 4 million people". *
Courrtesy of Wikipedia.
 
What is it with you? Just because I have some ex-Stasi friends, you assume (wrongly) that I defend anything associated with the organisation.
But that's what you've just done, I pointed out that the Stasi took over the running of a KZ from the NKVD, you said it didn't happen, I posted credable links and pointed out there was a memorial stone.......now you're trying to distance yourself.

Put it like this, you've admitted you have contacts with ex-Stasi, denied their involvement in the running of the old KZ system and are proud to defend the state at every turn, in what way is that different from the loathsome David Irving, renowned Holocaust denier, SS fanboi and Hitler's publicist?

As a student of the DDR you'll have heard of the concept of 'Brown-Reds', one day good Nazis next day good communists as the leadership dictates

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Fascism = Communism
 
which is nice...... but as this is about St Jezza of Corbyn being a StB asset (or MfS, take your pick, he probably did...) I'm guessing StB the Stasi were too busy running ops against their own and West Germans,

Do you really think, given what we know about Jeza's liking for left-wing terrorism and hard-line Communist dictatorships, that he'd ever pass a vetting check? If no then surely you see he's not fit to run for a bus, never mind a major serious political party with an important job to do
Any time you'd like to answer the questions I asked.

"Do you believe he was a WARPAC asset? is" one question which "nobody" has answered, they've not answered about whether they believe the person making the accusation is responsible for Live Aid either.

The electorate, not you or I, will decide whether Corbyn is fit to run the country. For all you know, the self proclaimed people's champion could be under deep cover....
 

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But that's what you've just done, I pointed out that the Stasi took over the running of a KZ from the NKVD, you said it didn't happen, I posted credable links and pointed out there was a memorial stone.......now you're trying to distance yourself.

Put it like this, you've admitted you have contacts with ex-Stasi, denied their involvement in the running of the old KZ system and are proud to defend the state at every turn, in what way is that different from the loathsome David Irving, renowned Holocaust denier, SS fanboi and Hitler's publicist?

As a student of the DDR you'll have heard of the concept of 'Brown-Reds', one day good Nazis next day good communists as the leadership dictates

Fascism = Communism
You're imagining things again, just to support your point. In a previous post, you stated that Sachsenhausen was handed over in 1950. In my response (Post No 549), I clarified that Sachsenhausen was handed over in January 1950 and by the spring of that year had been closed. How is that me denying anything or saying that it didn't happen? You appear to be looking for arguments where there are none.

And I state again that I've never defended the GDR state system, let alone "at every turn". What I liked about the GDR and what I "defend" is the life that folks led there. Even such diametrically politically opposed ARRSErs, such as @Brotherton Lad, agree with me on that point. And he was a member of BRIXMIS.

MsG
 
And I state again that I've never defended the GDR state system, let alone "at every turn".
You mean you don't actually read your own posts? Why were you trying to say the East German State and the Stasi had nothing to do with the running of the KZ post-war then?

The East German state and the Stasi helped the NKVD identify 'undesirables' to be sent there, they also ran the place themselves for a while, by denying that you are showing your true colours. I've head estimates of about 12,000 Germans dying there.......

Nazi KZ = Bad
Communist KZ = good

And as usual, trying to divert attention away from your Stasi mates by bringing in irrelevance isn't going to help. So which is it to be? The state was a corrupt dictatorship which you were happy to support because .....socialist solidarity regardless of the reality or The Stasi were the Shield and Sword of the party and could do no wrong?

Face it, the Stasi helped fill, and for a time ran, concentration camps - that's their official history BTW. If you are comfortable with that fine, but it puts you on a moral par with Irving
 
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Any time you'd like to answer the questions I asked.

"Do you believe he was a WARPAC asset? is" one question which "nobody" has answered, they've not answered about whether they believe the person making the accusation is responsible for Live Aid either.

The electorate, not you or I, will decide whether Corbyn is fit to run the country. For all you know, the self proclaimed people's champion could be under deep cover....
Still waithig for you to answer mine 'would you give Corbyn SY clearance knowing his Pro-IRA terrorist stance*, his admiration for the DDR and Marxist-Leninist beliefs? YES/NO (ignore for a moment your political bias)

The electorate, not you or I, will decide whether Corbyn is fit to run the country
Yes, and they rejected him

*As claimed by, amongst others, the IRA
 
Does anyone believe Corbyn was a liability to WARPAC agencies?

There is a broad range of assets, just because he didn't change his name to Corbynski doesn't mean he wasn't on Russia's nice list.
 

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