Corbyn the communist spy!

Sigh. You think that. I've pointed out where it's not an absolute. You won't accept anything other than your dogmatic belief.
These are the facts.

A right wing website published a smear relating to Corbyns stasi file.

The Stasi archivist says no such file exists.

I have repeated those facts. That's it.
 
Regardless of what this fight is about, I wouldn't trust the German government to do, say or reveal anything that is not in their interest. They ignore the constitution at will, load the courts with political appointees and ensure the press steers clear of controversial subject matter by denying access to anyone who dares to write anything they don't like. You have to consider here, that Frau Merkel is a one time SED member (Agitprop i think) and many Germans think the DDR has taken over the west, rather than the other way round.
 
No one has said that.

What they have said is that just because the German Govt has said it doesn’t exist, doenst mean the file doesnt actually exist.

A subtlety you’re either unwilling or unable to grasp.

And yes, there are plenty of historical examples of governments making a denial, then being forced to retract it later. Hence the extreme example used a few posts above.
The smear related directly to the very files the Stasi archivist is responsible for. If it doesn't exist then the smear is a lie.

A subtlety that you appear unwilling or unable to grasp.
 
These are the facts.

A right wing website published a smear relating to Corbyns stasi file.

The Stasi archivist says no such file exists.

I have repeated those facts. That's it.
Did he say it has never existed?

Do government workers always tell the truth?

Is there a possibility that a file used to exist, or still does and either is willfully being denied, or potentially that the archivist hasn’t seen it/doesnt know where it is?

Stasi files: scanner struggles to stitch together surveillance state scraps
 
Did he say it has never existed?

Do government workers always tell the truth?

Is there a possibility that a file used to exist, or still does and either is willfully being denied, or potentially that the archivist hasn’t seen it/doesnt know where it is?

Stasi files: scanner struggles to stitch together surveillance state scraps
I don't know, I would hazard a guess and say they don't know either. That's not what my argument ever was. I have said what my argument was, the counter argument has gone from it definitely exists to it might have existed.

Once again. A right wing political website published a lie smear that Corbyn had a Stasi file that he was refusing access to.

The German Government Stasi archivist has said no such file exists. Given they are the only facts at hand that's been the limit of my speculation.

The opposing argument however is nothing but speculation.
 
I don't know, I would hazard a guess and say they don't know either. That's not what my argument ever was. I have said what my argument was, the counter argument has gone from it definitely exists to it might have existed.

Once again. A right wing political website published a lie smear that Corbyn had a Stasi file that he was refusing access to.

The German Government Stasi archivist has said no such file exists. Given they are the only facts at hand that's been the limit of my speculation.

The opposing argument however is nothing but speculation.
At least we can agree on this post.
 
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These are the facts.

A right wing website published a smear relating to Corbyns stasi file.

The Stasi archivist says no such file exists.

I have repeated those facts. That's it.
The German gov also says that immigrants aren't a problem and ignores rapes and assaults by said immigrants - I wouldn't believe a word they say.

I should add - saying "No such file exists" doesn't actually mean that there was no file on Corbyn - it just means there is no file AT THE PRESENT TIME - lying without telling a lie. The file could have been lost, destroyed or simply could not be found. As a statement it is meaningless.

So shove your "facts" you little apologist.
 
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No fan of Corbyn, the man's a cock but none of you seriously believe he was an asset for any WARPAC intelligence service do you?

If you do, do you believe that the guy telling the story is also responsible for Live Aid as he claims?

I rather agree with this.
 
Don't know if this is still current, but it's a very interesting read.....from MSB's preferred rag.

Stasi files row as Britain refuses to return documents to Germany

And then there's the investigation.....under Labour. Good job they weren't investigating their own, eh?

More than 100 Britons investigated over Stasi links

So, perhaps no file in Germany......but lots of files on UK agents held by UK, and an investigation under Jack Straw.....who was never one to be involved in any sordid cover up......(cough, cough, Jeremy Thorpe and "cash for questions").
 
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This has to be one of the more bizarre threads on ARRSE.

I think it's terrible
Corbyn doesn't want to bow to the Queen nor stand for the National Anthem.
He's best mates with members of the IRA.
He won't fire Nuclear Weapons.
He wants people to take to the streets and protest against the visit of POTUS when it happens
He gets paid work from Iranian T.V.
And now he might be a Czech spy.

Yet people on here still think he's unsuitable to be Prime Minister
 
Christ are you hard of thinking or just unable to comprehend written English? There is no file held by the Stasi on Jeremy Corbyn. The Stasi archivist has said so. That's as much as I have ever said on the subject. I have absolutely no knowledge of Stasi activity on foreign visitors nor have I ever claimed such. I have merely pointed out the one piece of non conjecture in this entire piece.


There is no Stasi file on Jeremy Corbyn.
I knew I'd seen it somewhere but as it's Guido no doubt you'll dissmiss it as right wing fake news (obviously the left never use fake news :rolleyes:) :

"The Stasi Records Agency say that in their most recent researches they have not been able to find a specific file on Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbott."

Note the old diplomatic/political bit in bold, what it doesn't say is whether they found said files in an earlier search!
 
If they'd been found in an earlier search then it would have been noted. And that note would have been found in the most recent search. Given they've had 23 years since they completed all the personnel records I'd suggest you, like many others in this thread, are grasping at straws.
 
Don't know if this is still current, but it's a very interesting read.....from MSB's preferred rag.

Stasi files row as Britain refuses to return documents to Germany

And then there's the investigation.....under Labour. Good job they weren't investigating their own, eh?

More than 100 Britons investigated over Stasi links

So, perhaps no file in Germany......but lots of files on UK agents held by UK, and an investigation under Jack Straw.....who was never one to be involved in any sordid cover up......(cough, cough, Jeremy Thorpe and "cash for questions").
You have no idea of my preferred rag.

So the thrust of your post is if Corbyn has a file it may be in British hands, in which case, what are you worried about? He's already known to six and five.

On the flip side of the coin, in the real world, as it stands there isn't a file.
 
.......ah, the man that's not bothered is back to tell us the Stasi never opened a file on Corbyn and Abbott because.........socialism (the wrong kind, in the case of the DDR)

He bases this blind faith unquestioning obedience to the party line on his extensive knowledge on the way the MfS worked, and certainly not on his deeply held belief that St Jezza of Corbyn can do no wrong regardless of the evidence.
 
.......ah, the man that's not bothered is back to tell us the Stasi never opened a file on Corbyn and Abbott because.........socialism (the wrong kind, in the case of the DDR)

He bases this blind faith unquestioning obedience to the party line on his extensive knowledge on the way the MfS worked, and certainly not on his deeply held belief that St Jezza of Corbyn can do no wrong regardless of the evidence.
Once again, I'm only bothered about factual accuracy. I have stated the facts a number of times. I have never, ever stated anything like what you imply. Ever.

If I have then no doubt you will be able to quote me. I'll wait.
 

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