Corbyn the communist spy!

Given the holder of the former Czechoslovak security service archives has gone on record to say that Corbyn was, at best, a person of interest and was never an agent/spy/whatever you may wish to call it.
Well actually that alarms me more.

Terrorists and propsective terrorist in the UK are apparently referred to as "Subjects of Interest".

For example, here is the Security Service discussing Bulk Personal Data and its role in the investigation proces.

BPDs are essential in helping MI5 identify subjects of interest or individuals who surface during the course of an investigation, to establish links between individuals and groups, to better understand a subject of interest's behaviour and connections, and to quickly exclude the innocent. In short, BPDs enable MI5 to join the dots in an investigation and to focus its attention on individuals or organisations that threaten national security.
Bulk Data | MI5 - The Security Service

It's all in the language used. Generally a "spy" is the professional intelligence officer who recruits "agents" (or so John Le Carre tells us).

Now to expect a sophisticated Foreign Intelligence Service to formally have a contract and take a MP on their books, is I submit, far fetched. Far more useful to have some kompromat in the back pocket, but keep them ideologically onside and willing to do the odd bit of low level research to ensure they are still match fit and willing to help; and then watch where the tides of fate take them.

That sounds much more sensible way to do things, and doesn't it sound rather like what is alleged?
 
better understand a subject of interest's behaviour and connections, and to quickly exclude the innocent.

I hope they are better at it than in my time, just saying like:-D
I'm sure I would not know and cannot help.

But they look jolly efficient on "Spooks"?
 
Just wondering what is behind this story? Not much use to the Conservatives at this time, they would have best kept for the next (whenever) GE run up. One Corbyn MP said yesterday it was Blairite smear, could be, is this the start of a campaign of whispering to lead up to an internal palace coup to knock him off his bike. Or, is this something started by EU/Brux/Berlin who have accepted Brexit and want to deal with PM TM and not the shambolic administration of the Old Trot? given to-days EU security meeting do they trust him with their Int?
This leak started with archive material in Cz Rep and it appears Berlin, Mrs M have a Stasi file on him.

Will there be a drip, drip of releases on this topic.
Zinoviev letter - Wikipedia
 
That's what all the sensible (i.e. not journos) have been saying all along. The point is Corbyn and McDonnell have supported, courted and been of interest to, a variety of terrorist organisations and enemy states over the years. Not only are they not fit to govern they are surely a security risk. At the very least there must be questions as to whether they would be allowed full access to state secrets if (God forbid) they ever came to power.
Aside from that, their moon howler policies and the fact they are attracting the very worst of the far left to the fold of the labour party should make them unelectable. The fact that there is a chance they could win the next election tells you everything about the state of UK politics and the lack of quality across the board in the HoC.
For those who have gone through the security vetting process (and broadly aware of how it works), especially DV and eDV, there is one question I would ask you to consider:

Knowing what you know of the DV process, especially about concerns of associations with Hostile Intelligence Services operatives, 'diplomats' from countries (known at the time to be hostile to the UK and HMG), and with representatives of proscribed criminal & terrorist organisations, would you realistically regard Jeremy Corbyn et al as suitable candidates for exposure to TS/STRAP/TK/COSMIC material on a regular and unsupervised basis?
 
For those who have gone through the security vetting process (and broadly aware of how it works), especially DV and eDV, there is one question I would ask you to consider:

Knowing what you know of the DV process, especially about concerns of associations with Hostile Intelligence Services operatives, 'diplomats' from countries (known at the time to be hostile to the UK and HMG), and with representatives of proscribed criminal & terrorist organisations, would you realistically regard Jeremy Corbyn et al as suitable candidates for exposure to TS/STRAP/TK/COSMIC material on a regular and unsupervised basis?
...bearing in mind the fact that he and others on the Opposition Front Bench are already 'Right Honourable' Members...
 
Stasi file: I've already seen mine. That was around 1993. It was about nine inches thick and full of the most boring shite imaginable. I don't know why, but in my file all the names of the bubblers were entered in clear, along with their code-names. I believe they began to black them out after that because too many folks were going in for a bit of private score-settling. Fortunately, I already knew who the bubblers were in my immediate vicinity, because colleagues and good friends had already warned me about them. In summary, I found no suprises in my file, although I did find it a bit annoying when they trailed me in West Berlin and left notes that I'd met with members of the "English Army", instead of "British".
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/t...ter-world-for-all.254256/page-59#post-7407673
First off: I spied on no-one. Sure, the Stasi attempted to recruit me, but I told them to do one. That was the end of it.

Why would your file be 9" thick?
"This man is a delusional fantasist and is of no use to us whatsoever" only needs to use one page.

Edited to add, Timothy Garton Ash's file was only 2" thick and all the informers were only ever referred to by their code names.
 
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You seem to forget, that most people never have a choice in the matter, ever. For most people in both systems what you get is what available and most people don't give a tinkers cuss, as long as they manage. They merely select what is the least worst option for them-unless it's imposed. No leadership I've want to ever heard of has not imposed some kind of system and it benefits those on top, call them capitalists if you want because that's how aquisitional systems work. It works for religion Caste and the Islington elite. It remains true that only those who can afford socialist/Liberal aspirations have them, every body else desires them, but they are kept firmly in their place. It does not follow that only Socialists want peace/CND or social betterment, or that they have only Socialists are followers of the truth. We all are, but if there was no advantage to being in control-why would any one want to do it?
Well, that's lightened the mood no end.
 
We covered this in Basic. They ask for something totally innocent - a copy of Daily Orders for example - then they get a pic of you handing it over. That pic can then be used to blackmail you when they threaten to say it was something secret.

Daily Orders was ‘restricted’ though.



Possibly that’s why nobody ever read them?
 
That's what all the sensible (i.e. not journos) have been saying all along. The point is Corbyn and McDonnell have supported, courted and been of interest to, a variety of terrorist organisations and enemy states over the years. Not only are they not fit to govern they are surely a security risk. At the very least there must be questions as to whether they would be allowed full access to state secrets if (God forbid) they ever came to power.
Aside from that, their moon howler policies and the fact they are attracting the very worst of the far left to the fold of the labour party should make them unelectable. The fact that there is a chance they could win the next election tells you everything about the state of UK politics and the lack of quality across the board in the HoC.

Absolutely.


I mean, if we can actually have Theresa May as PM and it’s actually plausible to have Corbyn, Boris, Gove or, ahahhaaha, Rees-Mogg as the next....

We’re doomed. Doomed.
 
It's all in the language used. Generally a "spy" is the professional intelligence officer who recruits "agents" (or so John Le Carre tells us).
Surely the other way around, the spy is the (usually foreign) actor who steals the secret information, the agent is the professional officer who collects such information and passes it on to for analysis and distribution, and passes instructions back to the spy. But terms become confused and interchanged in common usage.
 
Surely the other way around, the spy is the (usually foreign) actor who steals the secret information, the agent is the professional officer who collects such information and passes it on to for analysis and distribution, and passes instructions back to the spy. But terms become confused and interchanged in common usage.
The Government side, at least in the UK is the 'officer'; the person who is recruited by the officer to garner information is the 'agent'.
 
https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/t...ter-world-for-all.254256/page-59#post-7407673
First off: I spied on no-one. Sure, the Stasi attempted to recruit me, but I told them to do one. That was the end of it.

Why would your file be 9" thick?

"This man is a delusional fantasist and is of no use to us whatsoever" only needs to use one page.
Simple: He was a known drug dealer with extensive history of violence and links to organised crime in Cambodia, Laos and Italy, where he kicked to comorra off his drug dealing patch.

Which secret police organisation would not have a thick file on him?
 
The fly leaf on the cover of my copy says he was "one of the last researchers to gain access to the Stasi archive in Berlin before the German Government reclassified key parts of it as secret in 2002"
Would probably be an interesting guy to have a beer with. I wonder if he found anything about Bugsy in his research!



I wonder if that was to protect/hide Merkels murky activities & loyalties to the communist cause, it coincides with her rise to power in German politics.
 

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