Corbyn the communist spy!

Well, it is possible to be well read within one's own view point.

I quite like the Islamists who give out lectures sat in front of shelves of books on Koran, tafsir (explaination of the Koran), Hadith and so on.

Here's the Mujahid Sheikh Awlaki (and his boogie-on down finger) giving a chat. Even when hiding in Yemen without a pot to piss in, he still has the bookshelf behind for that "scholar cred".



Exegesis*, however, does not make one generally well read. It just means one can exist within the bubble.

*I'm off for a w@nk**, I got to use the word "exegesis" on ARRSE. That must win a prize?

** And not over an altar boy.
I've been in the odd Wetherspoons or two which have similar bookshelves. Usually an equally decrepit mong spouting bollocks leant against them.
 
Twas ever thus:

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.

An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.

A murderer is less to fear.


Marcus Tullius Cicero
The Judge then placed a black cap upon his wig and said, " Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, you have been found guilty of treason and are henceforth sentenced to be shot in the underground car park in 10 minutes time. While we're at it your Doris is in the frame as well so she might as well join you, oh and don't worry we've got proper cameras in this time, none of that Ceaucescu grainy crap.
 
You realise we have lived in a socialist society, with state welfare, education, health services etc for some time, no gulags, genocide, pogroms or tumbrels necessary

Nope.

We live in a capitalist society where the government offers socialist welfare. All of the other things you mention have a capitalist alternative in this country which is superior. To be honest, even welfare isn't solely a socialist affair, considering the number of private charities in the country.

Nope, we live in a capitalist society where we get to own our own homes, start our own businesses and act as independent agents in a larger society.

We are closer to classical liberalism than socialism and thank Bacchus for that.
 
I've been in the odd Wetherspoons or two which have similar bookshelves. Usually an equally decrepit mong spouting bollocks leant against them.
I may or may not have acquired a good Arabic Dictionary from The Lord Moon of the Mall on Whitehall a long time ago...

It wasn't going to be happy alone and ignored in the shelves, and it was my honestly held belief it was part of the beer and book promotion.
 
I may or may not have acquired a good Arabic Dictionary from The Lord Moon of the Mall on Whitehall a long time ago...

It wasn't going to be happy alone and ignored in the shelves, and it was my honestly held belief it was part of the beer and book promotion.
Sat in a cab with an ignorant driver who as far as I knew was discussing was "dinner ready" with his wife in Arabic, I did wish I had some knowledge of the language, (a) to know if he was a dodgy character and (b) to pass a few comments to the moody sod. Any recommendations of learning the lingo welcome.
 
Sat in a cab with an ignorant driver who as far as I knew was discussing was "dinner ready" with his wife in Arabic, I did wish I had some knowledge of the language, (a) to know if he was a dodgy character and (b) to pass a few comments to the moody sod. Any recommendations of learning the lingo welcome.
I once memorably sat in a cab having arrived in Brussels for work, and noticed the Arabic driver was listening to al-Manar radio. Belgium's only radio station serving the Maghrebi population*, I played very dumb in both Arabic and French, as it sounded to me like Hassan Nasrullah in full flight.

Genuinely, would it help if I set a sub-thread with useful resources and maintain with the odd post now and again (including the odd flash of humour?) I am surely there are ARRSE members who are better cunning linguists than me (well, in Arabic anyway), but if it helps I am more than willing to assist with backward written squiggles.

*This was well before the attacks, and the realisation that Molenbeek was the Luton of the continent.
 
Genuinely, would it help if I set a sub-thread with useful resources and maintain with the odd post now and again (including the odd flash of humour?) I am surely there are ARRSE members who are better cunning linguists than me (well, in Arabic anyway), but if it helps I am more than willing to assist with backward written squiggles.
Yes please. In my case best of intentions etc but really, this kind of thing could really help, whatever country folk are in, mainly for their own benefit but also just because you never know...

Also customs, for example, a Chinese lass marvelling at my two or three words of Chinese said that rather than say hello, they usually ask "have you eaten". However a few words in some languages can make a big difference.
 
Also customs, for example, a Chinese lass marvelling at my two or three words of Chinese said that rather than say hello, they usually ask "have you eaten". However a few words in some languages can make a big difference.
Ah yes, I had to delicately explain to a friend who proudly described herself as a "Lioness" (perfectly true, she is good of spirit and adventurous) that it might not be a good idea in Arabic.

In slang it is sometimes used to describe, erm, 'an over-sexed woman'?

Or I may have blown a definite shag? In a Mary Whitehouse Experience way -

Sarah Bernhardt:
Mr. Shaw, you and I should make love, for with my looks and your brains we would have wonderful children.
George Bernard Shaw: Aha! But what if the child were born with my looks and your brain? ...
(walks outside)
Oh no, I've just blown out a definite shag!
 
I may or may not have acquired a good Arabic Dictionary from The Lord Moon of the Mall on Whitehall a long time ago...

It wasn't going to be happy alone and ignored in the shelves, and it was my honestly held belief it was part of the beer and book promotion.
They had a shelf of foreign language books from the formerly defunct (but now re-established) Foreign Office Language School, which had been in the Old Admiralty Building, which backs on to Lord Moon. The new language centre is a funky campus-style facility on the floor above the Cabinet War Rooms. I might not have in my possession a beautifully leather-bound (and hardly-ever-opened) book on Diplomatic Urdu that may - or may not - have been in the Lord Moon.

Just saying.
 
some say hidden away...
'some say' - a phrase used by both the left and the right to try and bring some sort of legitimacy to pathetic arguments that have no real backing - who are these 'some?' - if it's people who regularly pillory the BBC for not being right wing or supporting their agenda then how valid are their concerns?

And the front of the website is hidden away? Really? Where do you think it would have more prominence?
 
This socialism = communism model all you chest beaters seem to be running with is beyond reductive, it's retarded.

You realise we have lived in a socialist society, with state welfare, education, health services etc for some time, no gulags, genocide, pogroms or tumbrels necessary
No, that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying the likes of Bugsy, 'Momentum,' Corbyn's band of fellow-travellers etc deliberately try and muddy the political waters to hide their true allegiances by claiming to be 'socialist' when really they're hard-line Marxist-Leninists that realise they'll never see real power unless they steal the clothes of a centre-left Labour

Bugsy's beloved DDR was 'socialist' but I'm sure it had very little in common with the post-war socialist government of the UK
 
The honey trap one led us all to plan that, if a hot Russian babe pulled such a stunt, we'd basically pretend to be all clued up, nail her, then tell the security cell and post the blackmail photos up in the NAAFI.
agent chlamydia
 
Is it not Tony Banks? regardless of whether or not that is his name, I have seen him spouting dogma on many a political TV show. Not quite Derek Hatton but equally nauseating.
That's the bugger!

I remember when he retired as an MP he came out with a total diatribe about how crap being an MP had been.

Didn't stop him collecting the paycheck and perks all those years, of course.

Also having spent years spouting off about how undemocratic the HoL was and how he wouldn't be seen dead in it, he did a complete volte-face, entering the HoL as Lord Stratford, the hypocritical sod.

Though to be fair, he did have the decency to die shortly afterwards.

Diane Abbot, Bernie Grant, Tony Banks and Jeremy Corby - that's pretty much the dinner party from hell, that is.
 
Sky actually discussing Labour MPs taking payment to meet spies. It seemed to me at least that the news presenter and the Mirror journalist seemed to be keen to play it down. The other guest, rightly aired his concerns. BBC silent as ever.
The Mirror appears not to be denying any of it, more tending to present further "facts" so the lumpen proletariat can "put his actions into perspective"

Of course. At best though that is the well intentioned but honest useful idiot defence.

If hard evidence emerges that cash did change hands as is alleged, no way back from that. (Unless of course you are drug and rent boy using corrupt washing machine salesman)
 
No, that's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying the likes of Bugsy, 'Momentum,' Corbyn's band of fellow-travellers etc deliberately try and muddy the political waters to hide their true allegiances by claiming to be 'socialist' when really they're hard-line Marxist-Leninists that realise they'll never see real power unless they steal the clothes of a centre-left Labour

Bugsy's beloved DDR was 'socialist' but I'm sure it had very little in common with the post-war socialist government of the UK
Bugsys DDR and the majorities pummelling of it/him is muddying the waters. Bugsy is a ridiculous straw man to beat up

Back to Corbyn

Let's take the social aspects of Marxist Leninism

Provision/support for a universal social welfare system. Public education and health systems. Provision of child care. Provision of benefits. Reduction/ceasing of exploitation of women.

Corbyn agrees with these, as does the whole Labour Party, the majority of liberals and the Tory party

We are all Marxist Leninists?

What about abolition of private property and the use of propaganda to control and direct the population towards the ideals of communism?

Corbyn doesn't support this. Who actually does?

What about replacing market forces with scientific planning, that value of goods or services should be determined by their use value, wages should be set according to the skill and intensity of the work.
That all industry should be under state ownership.

Corbyn wants major infrastructures to be re- nationalised but supports that private enterprise, business markets and corporations must exist

What about the pure politics of Marxist Leninism, does Corbyn believe that the state should be controlled by a single-party of Marxism-Leninism principles or the use of a vanguard party to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat

That's a bit fat NO.

Is Corbyn a lunatic Marxist leninist looking to lead a revolution or a socialist (like most of us) who is pulling the Overton window back from the right and has a strong following (grass root numbers)of disaffected populous.

The UK works as a democracy, the whole process involves consent, political compromise and democratic process.

The idea that Corbyn is going to utterly derail this and neo-liberalism economics is going to cartwheel off the tracks and down a ravine leaving the uk grovelling in the dirt like Venezuela is hyperbole
 
Ah yes, the bit that appeared belatedly, some say hidden away...
Meanwhile Sky have started spending a little more air time on this...
BBC wishing it away... Why?
Because it's complete bollocks perchance? Given the holder of the former Czechoslovak security service archives has gone on record to say that Corbyn was, at best, a person of interest and was never an agent/spy/whatever you may wish to call it.

The originator of this is a fantasist, as evidenced by other odd pronouncements. This is merely a smear, and not a particularly good one. Next up, Corbyn the Paedophile.
 

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