Cops Violate the Sanctity of Parliament....Again

#1
Seems like some daft MP handed over a letter on request, rather than saying "out of my gaff, copper, and don't come back till you've got a warrant".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7843578.stm

Police 'entered Tory MP's office'

Mr Kawczynski said he felt "eternal shame" over his actions
A Conservative MP has alleged that police entered his Commons office without a search warrant demanding to see constituency correspondence.

Daniel Kawczynski said he found the episode "disgraceful".

The Shrewsbury and Atcham MP said he had handed over a Shrewsbury-postmarked letter related to an inquiry over "white powder" sent to a minister.

But Scotland Yard said a Parliament-based police officer had entered the office "by appointment".

Mr Kawczynski said it was to his "eternal shame" that he had complied by handing over the letter.

His comments follow the arrest of shadow immigration minister Damian Green - and the search of his Commons offices - last year.

Mr Kawczynski said the investigation related to a letter sent to Schools Secretary Ed Balls, which contained white powder that later turned out to be flour.

This had been sent from his constituency, he added.

Mr Kawczynski said he had received a phone call from an assistant telling him that police were searching his office.

Speaking in the House of Commons, he used a point of order to raise the matter, saying: "I am extremely shocked at what I am going to say."

Mr Kawczynski added: "I received a note from my office that there was a police officer in my office demanding to see correspondence.

"They were already present in my office and I went down to see them after making my speech."

The police had been investigating an "important case", the MP said, involving correspondence sent to ministers and had wanted "handwritten samples" of letters received by him.

Mr Kawczynski said: "I was extremely appalled that the officer can behave in this way, to enter a Member of Parliament's office with no warrant and to demand constituency correspondence."

He said he would "have to live with" his decision to hand over the letter demanded by the police.

Mr Kawczynski told deputy Commons Speaker Sir Michael Lord: "After everything that has happened to Mr Green, I find it disgraceful that this is happening and I urge you to investigate."

Fellow Tory MP Tobias Ellwood demanded that Home Secretary Jacqui Smith make a statement to MPs about the matter.

Sir Michael said he understood the "great concern" about the incident but had "no knowledge of this matter".

He told Mr Kawczynski: "If it is as you say it is, then it is obviously extremely serious and my advice would be that you should take the matter up with the House of Commons authorities as quickly as possible."

Sir Michael said he would refer the matter immediately to Speaker Michael Martin.

But a Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "At 1750 this evening an officer based at the Palace of Westminster entered a member's office by appointment concerning a local investigation.

"The investigation was concerning a series of letters received at the House containing non-noxious white powder.

"The officer did not request to search the office and no search was conducted.

"A piece of correspondence matching handwriting of those under investigation was removed from the office after permission was granted by the MP."
 
#3
I'd be outraged if someone came into my office and took my envelope containing my weekly ration of Persil too!
 
#5
Biscuits_AB said:
I'd be outraged if my parents named me Ed Balls.
His childhood can't have been much fun.
 
#6
No warrant required to ask to see a letter. No warrant required to search the office of someone arrested for an indictable offence. Don't know why MPs think they're so special; the law applies to everyone.
 
#7
They pass the 'Acts of PArliament' that constitute the laws then get annoyed when they are used against them. Maybe they should think about writing sub-sections in the laws they pass up to the House of Lords saying something like 'except when concerning members of parliament'.
 
#8
Isn't that what they're trying to do with their exemtion from FOI
 
#9
From what I understand, the police only need a search warrant if the occupier does not agree to them conducting a search. The police officer concerned was one of the police stationed at Parliament and did not want to search the MP's office. He asked the sniveling MP if he could have a letter from a constituent and the worthless piece of **** gave it to the copper then stood in the Chamber and then complained. I think this guy is a perfect example of the lack of moral fibre of some of our MPs.
 
#10
DeeJay said:
Isn't that what they're trying to do with their exemtion from FOI
Yes, it was. Gordon backed down though after Dave refused to support his dastardly deeds.

For a real laugh, have a look at the various finance acts. Every one of them has a clause at the end exempting MPs from tax on their expenses and allowances.
 
#11
Bravo_Zulu said:
No warrant required to ask to see a letter. No warrant required to search the office of someone arrested for an indictable offence. Don't know why MPs think they're so special; the law applies to everyone.
quite, I never really understood why there was such a hoo-ha over that search on Damien Green...and I don't know why the media never pointed this out...
 
#12
Bravo_Zulu said:
No warrant required to ask to see a letter. No warrant required to search the office of someone arrested for an indictable offence. Don't know why MPs think they're so special; the law applies to everyone.
The MP in question wasn't under arest, so how does PACE apply here?

Or does it have a hiden clause that says that if someone is arrested, the Police can search wherever they like, for as long as they can be bothered?
 
#13
Kitmarlowe said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
No warrant required to ask to see a letter. No warrant required to search the office of someone arrested for an indictable offence. Don't know why MPs think they're so special; the law applies to everyone.
The MP in question wasn't under arest, so how does PACE apply here?

Or does it have a hiden clause that says that if someone is arrested, the Police can search wherever they like, for as long as they can be bothered?
Damien Green was arrested. Hence Section 18 applies to his office.

Here, they just asked to see a letter, and being a good citizen the MP in question obliged.
 
#14
bensonby said:
Bravo_Zulu said:
No warrant required to ask to see a letter. No warrant required to search the office of someone arrested for an indictable offence. Don't know why MPs think they're so special; the law applies to everyone.
quite, I never really understood why there was such a hoo-ha over that search on Damien Green...and I don't know why the media never pointed this out...
F**k me......did not you not gather that perhaps some people don't like the idea of the Police being called in investigate a "crime" that every single MP has committed? I seem to recall one MP boasting on TV in the 80's about the "crime" he was committing as often as possible. That MP is now the lackwit in charge.......

The "Crime" in question? Making the Government of the day look stupid by leaking documents that show that they have lied, or faked it, or told half truths, or made it up....Normal political practise.

Note that NO mention of actual charges has yet to be annouced.....
 
#15
BZ - We do not know that the crime that Green was arrested for was a crime. Neither by the looks of things did the senior policeman who authorised the edge of legality search of his Commons office (wasn't he in the running for Blairs job and was he reacting to a complaint from the man who has a great deal of say in who gets that job).

Parliament is special and the members of parliament have to have special privileges in order to do their job. This doesn't mean that they are above the law but is does mean that when the police have to deal with them in parliament the police should be careful.

The same could be said for the police force themselves.

In this instance the police claim they had arranged an interview and the MP handed the document to them.

He says that by giving them them the letter he had to live with it for the rest of his life. Perhaps he should look up Duty in the dictionary.
 
#16
MrPVRd said:
Mr Kawczynski said it was to his "eternal shame" that he had complied by handing over the letter.
A euphimism for "I'm a spineless barsteward who's been outed as so"
 
#17
Fat_Cav said:
MrPVRd said:
Mr Kawczynski said it was to his "eternal shame" that he had complied by handing over the letter.
A euphimism for "I'm a spineless barsteward who's been outed as so"
He is known around Shrewsbury as a media slut and will do anything to get his name and picture on the tv or in the papers...

...no surprise there then.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Rodney2q
 
#18
mushroom said:
BZ - We do not know that the crime that Green was arrested for was a crime. Neither by the looks of things did the senior policeman who authorised the edge of legality search of his Commons office (wasn't he in the running for Blairs job and was he reacting to a complaint from the man who has a great deal of say in who gets that job).

Parliament is special and the members of parliament have to have special privileges in order to do their job. This doesn't mean that they are above the law but is does mean that when the police have to deal with them in parliament the police should be careful.

The same could be said for the police force themselves.

In this instance the police claim they had arranged an interview and the MP handed the document to them.

He says that by giving them them the letter he had to live with it for the rest of his life. Perhaps he should look up Duty in the dictionary.
From the BBC website:
BBC said:
The police say they arrested Mr Green on suspicion of "conspiring to commit misconduct in a public office" and "aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring misconduct in a public office".
Those are definitely crimes. This doesn't look to be on the edge of legality at all; there is the law, it applies to everyone. I disagree with your view that the laws which apply to every other person in this country should not apply to MPs; if an MP is thought to be corrupt I want the police to be able to arrest him, to investigate him without interference.

I have to say I am not impressed by the outspoken senior officer. By shoving his foot into his mouth he brought the whole of the MPS into disrepute.

I also fail to see why an MP would wish to not assist police in their inquiries. The letter cannot have been that confidential otherwise he would not have handed it over at the time.
 
#19
So, erm, if I have it right:

Plod arrives to see Politician at his office by appointment...

"Mr. Politician, please may I have the letter?"
"OK Mr. Plod, here you go"
"Thanks Mr. Politician"

"OOOOOOH! I'm outraged! I feel so violated!"

That's a bit like the last time I went to the Doctor. I asked if he could update a couple of my inocculations. Then, get this! The bashtard stuck a needle in me! I feel so violated...."

I can only think that I misread this story cause I don't see how anyone could see this as a story...
 
#20
Obviously trying to raise his profile by jumping on the bandwagon...

This is sucha non-entity of a story...

ps. As an aside, MP's can't be arrested within the grounds of PoW...
 

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