control of the Royal marines from the Navy to the Army

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  1. The newspaper report said the MoD was also looking at moving control of the Royal marines from the Navy to the Army and grouping them in what the Telegraph called a "super elite" unit alongside two Parachute Regiment battalions.

    Jets, Subs, Armor Among U.K. Cuts: Report - Defense News
  2. Would that be a super size brigade or a division? Can't see it happening.
  3. Marines and Paras worked well together during the Falklands.

    Combined RM/Para force as the expeditionary 'teeth' of the UK Armed Forces makes sense.
  4. Keep RM in RN and move Para to RAF.
  5. If that happens do the marines stop the amphibious role? Surley making them the same as another infantry battalion is making the British land forces too one dimensional. Not a good idea.
  6. Primary means of getting Marines ashore is via helicopters, just like with Paras, and as we saw during the Falklands, the Paras had no problem getting their heads around jumping off from assault ships.
  7. Do we not already have that capability with the SFSG?
  8. Marines + Paras = SFSG on steroids
  9. SDI went a long way to bankrupting the Communist Hordes, so it wasn't all that bad.
  10. seaweed

    seaweed LE Book Reviewer

    Yes, it didn't matter that Star Wars didn't actually work, what mattered was that the US fried the Reds in technology because the USSR ran out of money trying to keep up. And thank you Maggie for keeping your hand up the back of Ronnie's jacket.
  11. Yes thats all well and good but could the Paras had been as successful as they were without the Marines knowledge and expertise? Anyway that's not the point but without a dedicated amphibious unit who are able to specialise in a certain area surley the skillls and knowledge would become lost?

    That's also the same for the talk of getting rid of the Paras.

    I just think (not that it counts for anything) that by getting rid of specialized units would make our military too one dimensional.

  12. I've heard nothing mooted about turning both the Marines and Para's into ordinary foot soldiers. They are what they are, specialized light infantry with lots of teeth and specialized at going into someone elses patch uninvited, normally by helicopter.
    Paras key selling point is jumping put of planes but they don't do that much into unpleasant places, the Marines selling point is running up beaches but they don't tend to do that much either when the natives are hostile.

    An Assault Brigade formed around the two has merit IMO, sort of a UK version of the 101 Airborne, the US's foreign intervention 'firefighting' formation of choice.
  13. Caecilius

    Caecilius LE Reviewer Book Reviewer

    Doing that would remove much of what is good about the Paras and Commandos through watering down their brigade structures. I see no reasone why they should be combined at all. It will reduce effectiveness whilst saving very little.
  14. Are they? I'd contest that. Look at the post-Viet Nam War conflicts fought by the US and the 82nd Airborne Division (an all Paratroop unit) would appear to be the unit of choice in rapid firefighting deployments. In both the Grenada and Panama invasions, the 82nd, along with Marine Amphibious Units were deployed with a very short lead time, whilst the 101st didn't participate. The Gulf War is also instructive in so far as the 82nd were yet again deployed as the initial rapid reaction unit to Saudi Arabia and whilst the 101st did deploy, it was later as a part of the larger build up along with the Armd Divs. Again with Haitian intervention in 1994 it was the 82nd who were in the air ready to jump had Gen. Cedras not stepped down.

    Overwhelmingly, the US has turned to the Marine Amphibious Unit and 82nd Airborne Division (which is on an 18hrs NTM) for its rapid reaction force. Interesting to note too that all members of that Division must be Airborne qualified.