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Contracted Staff to Guard Airports

#1
Why not provide Armed contract staff to guard airports, thereby releasing our much valued, highly trained and needed police to catching criminals.

Such personnel exist in significant numbers - all ex military and could provide a valuable means of releasing police assets to their main function of protecting the community, rather than being wasted on point security.

The recent attacks in Glasgow and London were not foiled by police, in fact it was members of the public who raised the alarm and apprehended the villians.

Could we not provide such a service from the Ex Military community?
 
#2
Outstanding said:
Why not provide Armed contrat staff to guard airports, thereby releasing our much valued, highly trained and needed police to catching criminals.
As long as its not Group 4 security or we'd be doomed. Would the job come with easy access to duty free's :?
 
#3
How about the Airports and Airlines paying for the Security?

On that point, do Airports and airlines currently pay for all the plod that stomp around airports?
 
#4
Plenty of people able to do it but would need firearms (re) training. Imagine how the press would feed if a terrorist intent on mass murder was killed to death by one of these guards.
I agree with the idea though.
 
#5
I am not sure if any police officer has actually fired a single shot in all the years they have been patrolling? Could as easily issue stun guns nowadays and have only limited numbers with Ball ammo?
 
#7
devilish said:
How about the Airports and Airlines paying for the Security?

On that point, do Airports and airlines currently pay for all the plod that stomp around airports?
Don't know about others, but BAA pay the Met the cost of Policing Heathrow and London City.

For that reason the officers are ring-fenced and can't be used for other policing functions - ie Aid to central london, and until recently (last two years or so I think) shouldn't (but did) take calls off the airport.
Now SO18 put out an ARV per shift to help cover west london when CO19 are busy.

So in essence they are contracted staff seperate from the rest of policing and it does not detract from catching criminals as they are manned and funded seperately and in addition to the day to day police posts.
 
#8
Major airports pay the cost of all their security, including the cost of any police who's usual duties find them based at the airport.

Of course other forms of transport have the British Transport police looking after them, paid for by us the tax-payer. Considering trains and buses have been private industries for quite a while now shouldn't they pay for their own security as the airports have to?
 
#9
Can't say I'm too impressed by the path taken by our DHS concerning airport security... bodies without brains are useless when it comes to security.
 
#10
Stacker

The BTP are funded directly from ATOC and London Undergroound and not from the tax payer (although you could argue that we pay for them through fares). Some train operating companies pay more and get a better service, LU for example, and some pay next to nothing, GNER, and still get policed albeit as basic service as the BTP can get away with.

BTP are only top-up funded from the home office (BTP are not a home office force) towards their anti-terrorist duties as this affects everyone not just rail users.

In London, TfL pay the Met to police the buses. Again these officers are ring-fenced. I'm guessing county forces cover their own buses, and so yes thats the tax payer I'm afraid.
 
#13
Mikal said:
No idea about the practicality of armed contractors
As I understand it, civilians can't get a licence for the type of firearms carried by armed police. Would you really want a moonlighting nightclub bouncer on minimum wage carrying a machine gun when you take your family to the airport?

Where would they be trained?
 
#14
Ancient_Mariner said:
Mikal said:
No idea about the practicality of armed contractors
As I understand it, civilians can't get a licence for the type of firearms carried by armed police. Would you really want a moonlighting nightclub bouncer on minimum wage carrying a machine gun when you take your family to the airport?

Where would they be trained?
Thats a shame I was going to suggest it cold be a good job for Sven to apply for, I know he's eager to be employed ASP.
 
#15
Ancient_Mariner said:
Mikal said:
No idea about the practicality of armed contractors
As I understand it, civilians can't get a licence for the type of firearms carried by armed police. Would you really want a moonlighting nightclub bouncer on minimum wage carrying a machine gun when you take your family to the airport?

Where would they be trained?
Why not ex-mil a must have for the post, like say MPGS(Armed) that patrol other security concious areas like Faslane or Nuclear establishments?
 
#16
Can somebody tell me what is wrong with the current arrangement - I am struggling to think of an occasion when a British airport has actually been stolen and joking aside would you prefer the alternative (civilianised messes anyone)? I'd rather hang on to an accountable, disciplined and non-profit orientated security organisation any time.
 
#17
Khyros said:
Can't say I'm too impressed by the path taken by our DHS concerning airport security... bodies without brains are useless when it comes to security.
Have you seen the money they offer though? you'd make more in a career at McDonalds.

I was recently changing planes at Bush in Houston,and I saw two 'off duty' DHS people taking it in turns to push one another round the terminal on a luggage trolley.

I believe the French use the armed forces for airport security,and the French public don't seen to bat an eyelid (from what I've seen).
 
#19
Random_Task said:
I was recently changing planes at Bush in Houston,and I saw two 'off duty' DHS people taking it in turns to push one another round the terminal on a luggage trolley.
They are training for when they have to take down a terrorist with a luggage trolley. You should catch their training in targeted handbag tossing.
 
#20
devilish said:
Ancient_Mariner said:
Mikal said:
No idea about the practicality of armed contractors
As I understand it, civilians can't get a licence for the type of firearms carried by armed police. Would you really want a moonlighting nightclub bouncer on minimum wage carrying a machine gun when you take your family to the airport?

Where would they be trained?
Why not ex-mil a must have for the post, like say MPGS(Armed) that patrol other security concious areas like Faslane or Nuclear establishments?
Why not retired Policemen as well as ex forces? Loads seem to retire early. Or Gurkha's? (Hang on, they join the MPGS already)

P.S. What is a Policemen who carries a automatic weapon anyway? But a trained civilian :D OK But you get my point! All it needs is a change to the relevant regulations.
 

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