Continuation of Service to be extended.

#1
SDSR is considering the cost saving that can be achieved by continuity of service and by not needing to recuit and train so many soldiers. The extension of service by 10 / 15 years to fifty or fifty five would match the time required to largely re-balance the books and also match the demographic and projected recruiting forecasts.

What though would the effect be in Infantry Units of much older SNCOs/WOs and a general slowing of promtion combined with an aging soldier population.

It may therefore make sense to establish special rules for Infantry/Teeth arm uints, but is that fair on individuals?
 
#4
Saying that you might get a fitter Army as most of us over 40s are still fitter than the new lads coming through the door, it is embarrassing when your beating 20 year olds by a distance on BPFAs...............it does take longer to recover though (grabs oxygen mask).

Pros and cons to both arguements though with Youth against experience.
 
#5
Sounds like there are to many SDSR based CO’s essay questions flying around and being researched on ARRSE at the moment ^_~
 
#6
It's an attractive fix, but only temporarily because it casts a long forward shadow.

I had the same problem in the 90s with the Infantry cross country team, most of the squad were in their 30s and still very good, but eventually they have to be put out to grass and fresh blood brought in. For a start, who's going to make the tea?
 
#7
It's an attractive fix, but only temporarily because it casts a long forward shadow.

I had the same problem in the 90s with the Infantry cross country team, most of the squad were in their 30s and still very good, but eventually they have to be put out to grass and fresh blood brought in. For a start, who's going to make the tea?
Thats ok already been thought of, they will be recruiting 1000 Juniors a year who will specialise in NATO coffees.
 
#8
Job's a good 'un. Full steam ahead then, milk, no sugar, thanks.
 
#12
I hope they are going to offer decaff, my blood-pressure can't stand the real stuff any more. :)
 
#13
I hope they are going to offer decaff, my blood-pressure can't stand the real stuff any more. :)
That's the problem with these quick fixes, they always bring unintended consequences and hidden costs. My back of fag packet calculations, Staff Officers' Handbook fold out edition, tell me that 1000 juniors will not be enough and additional Starbuck instructors, on an outrageously expensive PFI contract for 30 years, will be required.
 
#14
That's the problem with these quick fixes, they always bring unintended consequences and hidden costs. My back of fag packet calculations, Staff Officers' Handbook fold out edition, tell me that 1000 juniors will not be enough and additional Starbuck instructors, on an outrageously expensive PFI contract for 30 years, will be required.
The order of magnitude savings that could accrue simply by extending all Teeth arm SNCOs to just 45 years of age is really amazing!
 
#15
Oh, I don't doubt it. People are healthier these days and mid 40s is not old. You only have to look at fell races where often most of the top 20 are over 40.

It's over a decade since I toiled in manning, still in the scout hut and Morgan O' still had most of his hair.

Nevertheless, my flippancy over the brews may hide a grain of truth. I assume the big savings are for the first 3 years and then level off. At this point the recruiting taps have to be turned back on, this took an age in the mid 90s after the peace dividend following the fall of the Wall. I imagine also the extension would be optional for individuals and, whilst, I would expect it to be popular, sometimes people do not react to a new paradigm in the obvious way. Presumably, too, there's an increase in pension costs and a knock on effect on those a few years behind who now enter 'dead men's shoes' territory.
 
#16
I thought VEng was being stopped? Can you give VEng to one set of guys but make another x thousand redundant?
It all depends on trade group/Corps/Regt requirements. Veng has been suspended, REME are still going through the VEng process in hope that they can appeal and keep certain trade groups reasonably well manned at the relevant ranks.
 
#17
I am nearly fifty and can do what I need too, however recently I have done a fair bit of work with the military, some of them were not born when I joined the Army in 77 a few were not born when I left in 85. In the work we have been doing I am good for a few days, a week maybe, but to be honest beyond that I dont have the heart for it anymore. As much as I like to think I can still cut the mustard at fifty, the truth is I cannot Compete over a long stretch with much younger people. It's not a problem it's just the way
It is. The decision makers on any changes to age limits would do well to remember that and
Leave things alone.
 
#18
I am nearly fifty and can do what I need too, however recently I have done a fair bit of work with the military, some of them were not born when I joined the Army in 77 a few were not born when I left in 85. In the work we have been doing I am good for a few days, a week maybe, but to be honest beyond that I dont have the heart for it anymore. As much as I like to think I can still cut the mustard at fifty, the truth is I cannot Compete over a long stretch with much younger people. It's not a problem it's just the way
It is. The decision makers on any changes to age limits would do well to remember that and
Leave things alone.
Well not knowing what you actually do ( and it could range from Porn star through Professional Cage Fighter to Check Out guy at ASDA) it is difficult to expand this further. All I would say is that if you were to tell Gen Dir David Richards that he is not "cutting it" quite as well as his MA, you might get a different reaction.
 
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#20
We could end up with a dads army!!
Balls. Just look at the Canadians and the Germans. It works perfectly well there, so why wouldn't it work in the British Army? For a closer example look at the RAF. As for any slowing down of individual careers, would that really affect the Army operationally? Of course it wouldn't. Too many 'individuals' in the Army think that the Army circles around them. If they felt so strongly about it, then they have a choice, it's only a job after all. Do you honestly think that it would deter potential recruits? No it wouldn't. It would have no adverse effect upon recruiting bar a reduction in vacancies, which, given that reduced number, would allow the Army to pick and choose. Recruits would be better assured of a longer career and expectant financial security. It would be good for the families as well. As for fitness, have a look around you. There are more fitter 40's in today's Army than before. Even in civvy street,there are 40 year olds who can outrun people half their age. A slowed down promotion, would allow people to spend more time in the different rank brackets, thereby gaining more experience and at the same time eradicating some incredibly unrealistic expectations.
 

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