Conservative Policy on the Forces?

Discussion in 'Current Affairs, News and Analysis' started by Englishspringer, Apr 23, 2007.

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  1. In the light of the upcoming local elections I thought it may be a good idea to see what the main parties have to say on Defence Ploicy. I sent an emnail to DC via the Conservatives' website & this is what I got back:

    Dear Englishspringer,

    Many thanks for your email to David Cameron - I am replying on his behalf.

    Our success today is not because we've published a blizzard of policies,
    it's because we are setting out a deep and serious analysis of what our
    country needs, and we are showing that we have the right ideas and the
    right values to meet those needs. We are leading political debate in
    this country for the first time in many years.

    On defence, Liam Fox has promised that a future Conservative Government will spend what is required to guarantee the security of the United Kingdom. There is a constant choice between commitments and resources.

    In the current environment, we will either have to increase the
    resources reaching the front-line to match our commitments, or reduce
    our commitments to match our resources.

    David Cameron has also promised to draw up a special manifesto for the
    families of Britain's Armed Forces, following the outcry over the poor
    standard of accommodation provided on Army bases.

    We have set out what we are fighting for today in a statement of our
    aims and values, Built to Last, a copy of which is available on our
    web-site -

    The changes are clear. For example, we will put economic stability and
    fiscal responsibility ahead of promises to cut taxes. Protecting the
    environment and tackling climate change will be given equal prominence
    to public services and the economy. We will improve public services for
    all, rather than promote opt outs for a few. The test for all our
    policies will be how they help the most disadvantaged in society. We
    will take action so that our Party reflects Britain as it is today, not
    Britain as it was.

    We stand for social responsibility - the idea that government doesn't
    have all the answers and that we've got to work together to fight crime,
    improve the environment and make life better for families and children.
    That's a big difference from Labour's approach and a new direction for
    our country.

    David Cameron is aware that there has been far too much short term
    policy making in recent years. Time and again we have seen policy
    initiatives announced to get headlines in the media which then fall
    apart, fail to deliver, and end up being abandoned or reversed. He has
    set up six policy groups to examine key areas of concern and challenges
    we face. These challenges are complex, interconnected and require
    serious long-term thinking. We want to make sure we get the solutions to
    these challenges right, and that is why our policy review is spread over
    eighteen months.

    But preparing the ground is just the first stage. Now we must show what
    we will build there. That means laying strong foundations and making
    clear exactly what we stand for. Not pulling policies out of a hat to
    try and show what sort of government we will be. But explaining the
    idea that defines the sort of Britain we want to see.

    David Cameron pledged to transform the party and the way the public see
    us - he's well on his way to doing that. He pledged to make the police
    more accountable - and with the police reorganisation shelved we're
    winning there. He promised to put the environment at the heart of our
    policies, and he has. He promised that we would bring forward proposals
    to actively support marriage through the tax and benefits system, and
    he's since outlined how we'd do that - reforming the tax credits system
    to make it simpler and fairer and getting our policy review to look at
    how tax relief on childcare, and transferable tax allowances, might

    So there can be no doubt that David Cameron was elected on a broad
    programme and that he's delivering across the board.

    We cannot afford to slow down at the moment - we are providing
    constructive opposition to this government whilst building up our
    platform so that we are an attractive and credible alternative. We are
    not betraying traditional Conservative values; as David has said before,
    our change is not a betrayal, but recognition and a fulfilment. A
    recognition that Britain is not the same as it was thirty years ago, so
    we need to start understanding what we will inherit, and a fulfilment of
    building a better Britain.

    Thank you once again for writing.

    Yours sincerely,

    Alice Sheffield

    Office of David Cameron MP
    House of Commons
    London SW1A 0AA

    So, no real Defence Policy for the Conservatives then, just another opportunity for an adviser to issue the latest Tory Party advertisement!
  2. in_the_cheapseats

    in_the_cheapseats LE Moderator

    In other words, we don't promise to give any more money to the military.

    First thing we will do is pull forces out of either 'stan or Iraq. We will then be looking for "efficiencies" too. Resources are tight, don't you know.....

    To make up for it, we will look at doing something about housing but we will need to study the problem in detail first.....which may take sometime.....don't hold your breath.... token effort just before next election as a feel good.....

    Am I reading it wrong? :roll:
  3. Biped

    Biped LE Book Reviewer

    That was a very long non-response to a direct question. I'll say it again, DC gives me the squits. I DON'T LIKE HIM AND I DON'T TRUST HIM.
  4. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    So not really conservatives then anymore.
  5. So the choice is between the Tories, who might stitch you up or Neu Arbeit who have proven that they'll stitch you up time after time! At least the Tories have acknowledged the need to match commitments to resources - the leaders and purse-string-holders of Neu Arbeit have demonstrated no such grasp of reality. :roll:
  6. What's the use of promising tax cuts when the policy fails to get you elected (Major/Hague/Howard)?
    I think the policy now is as good as it can be: tax cuts if it can be afforded ie: so no one can accuse us of running down the NHS etc
  7. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    So you think you don't pay too much tax then?

    Huge amounts of your taxes are squandered by government and I think promising to give some of that back might actually be a good idea. But hey the tories never got elected in the past by promising not to cut taxes did they.
  8. Of course I pay too much tax! But it's not me that the Tory party need to convince is it?
    All I would add is that the Tory Party is doing something akin to what liarbour did in 1997 ie: sticking to Tory spending plans for the first 2 years. Once your in government you can set the agenda.
    BTW - I am a healthcare worker so I know all about Government waste.
  9. I do, the current government has £500-600 bilion to spend, FFS how can they spend so much on so little, we've been robbed and lied to and seen over £3000billion pissed up the wall by Bliars idiots since 1997. Just think what good could have been done with that much money....
  10. Most members of Neu Arbeit are toxic waste...
  11. Ord_Sgt

    Ord_Sgt RIP

    OK you have my sympathy.

    It never ceases to amaze me that there is so much money spent in the UK on things like the police and NHS and they are completely shite.

    Crime is running out of control and the police may as well simply not be there for their effectiveness. The NHS is a money pit which is pretty much useless, with failure after failure coming to light.

    Its not the individuals at the coal face of course but the management at the top and ministers/government. I spent this weekend watching yes minister and yes prime minister, almost every parody of government in that comedy has come true, incredible.

    And breath... politicians, I sh1t em...
  12. So if ARRSE was put in charge of the Conservative Defence Policy, what would we include (Current Affairs and not NAAFI)

    Define our mission - 'Force for Good', interventionalist, Defence Force, part of European defence force
    Review of all major procurement with no 'sacred cows'
    Do we need 3 services?
    Re-establish proper medical care, including psychiatric for life
    No university fees following 3 years Crown Service
  13. Surely it must rest as well in the hands of health and safety regs and the compensation culture. How much money is wasted on sh1te like this?

    I was always amazed why people should get compensated for tripping up in the street, don't these people watch where they are going?

    It has just got sooo out of hand now, I am sure this is where all the money goes. Paperwork for paperwork, for paperwork, ffs just get the jobs done.
  14. I'm not sure how precise Englishspringer's question was, but from about 730 words on a whole gammut of things, all we got was these sentences:

    It is fundamentally impossible to "guarantee" security. Not a good start Dave - or pp Dave...

    Very true. But if the question was constructed around the question, 'what is your defence policy?', we're looking for you to tell us just what those committments are going to be.

    OK. So you recognise that there is currently a mismatch. But we're after YOUR policy, not your comment on current problems.

    Thanks Dave. But what's your POLICY on defence???

    Are you, like me, still completely in the dark as to what Conservative policy on defence actually is?
  15. What possible use could there be in anouncing any firm policy now?
    As it seems to me, whenever previously the Tory party has announced a policy commitment the attitude of Liarbour has been to pooh pooh it before nicking any possible good bits from it.
    With a new (mis)management team about to come in to Number 10, who will inevitably have a honeymoon period, why stick your neck out. Keep your powder dry and don't shoot 'til you see the whites of their eyes.