Confronting China at Sea

Hong Kong no longer belongs to the UK. The South China Sea is less important to us that the Atlantic or the Arabian Sea/Gulf.



Acting as part of the international community is not quite the same as what some suggest. As for African engagement, Africa does not have a Pacific coast. My post mentioned the Atlantic and the Mediterranean and the area of operations associated with the Arabian Sea includes areas of the Indian Ocean that borders African countries.
Hence why i referred to the Somali basin. (currently in the High Risk Area, with Voluntary Reporting for UKMTO cutting across most of mid Indeian Ocean basin)
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Security follows trade for the Chinese, why not for the UK?
 

Yokel

LE
Just out of interest how much are the United States and and China dependent on each other for things like trade, credit, raw resources, and outsourcing the manufacture of things like consumer electronics? Does this made actual conflict less likely, but Geopolitical maneuvering more likely?

Violent Peace as one author called the Cold War.
 
Quite right, we don't - in that particular pagga. More likely we'll have to beware of that nice Mr Putin (or his proxies) taking advantage of US pre-occupation in the IO/Pac area and misbehaving closer to home.
Russian control of most of Europe's Gas supply makes any concerns of US refocusing on Europe rather negligible
 
Interesting, if China can turn Malaysia and Indonesia to their team it solves one of their smaller problems in the short/medium term. They have a lot less further to go than I first thought.
I can't help but think the presentation of East Asian issues in the west has something to do with that - they tend to get reported as simple binary situations where bad relations over one issue is an overall show-stopper, automatically equates to liking us better and liking us is the determining factor in their actions.

The reality is a lot more complex than that as there are a wide range of purely-regional or intra-national factors at play which often pass us by. As the old saying goes, countries don't have friends they have interests.
 

Yokel

LE
You would have to put you Heart and soul into it
Carol Decker walt.

Hence why i referred to the Somali basin. (currently in the High Risk Area, with Voluntary Reporting for UKMTO cutting across most of mid Indeian Ocean basin)
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Security follows trade for the Chinese, why not for the UK?
I just did a Google search for Coalition Maritime Forces operating area and found - About CMF:

The Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) is a multinational naval partnership, which exists to promote security, stability and prosperity across approximately 3.2 million square miles of international waters, which encompass some of the world’s most important shipping lanes.


and....

CMF’s main focus areas are defeating terrorism, preventing piracy, encouraging regional cooperation, and promoting a safe maritime environment.

CMF conducts Maritime Security Operations, counters terrorism and narcotics smuggling in maritime areas of responsibility; works with regional and other partners to improve overall security and stability; helps strengthen regional nations’ maritime capabilities and, when requested, responds to environmental and humanitarian crises.

  • Includes three Combined Task Forces:
    • CTF 150 (Maritime Security Operations and Counter-Terrorism)
    • CTF 151 (Counter Piracy)
    • CTF 152 (Maritime Security Operations in the Arabian Gulf)
  • 33 member nations: Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Iraq, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Republic of Korea, Kuwait, Malaysia, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, The Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, UAE, United Kingdom, United States and Yemen.
  • Commanded by a U.S. Navy Vice Admiral, who also serves as Commander US Navy Central Command (NAVCENT) and US Navy Fifth Fleet. All three commands are co-located at US Naval Support Activity Bahrain.
  • Deputy Commander is a UK Royal Navy Commodore. Other senior staff roles at CMF headquarters are filled by personnel from member nations.
We are already there.
 
Carol Decker walt.



I just did a Google search for Coalition Maritime Forces operating area and found - About CMF:

The Combined Maritime Forces (CMF) is a multinational naval partnership, which exists to promote security, stability and prosperity across approximately 3.2 million square miles of international waters, which encompass some of the world’s most important shipping lanes.

and....

CMF’s main focus areas are defeating terrorism, preventing piracy, encouraging regional cooperation, and promoting a safe maritime environment.

CMF conducts Maritime Security Operations, counters terrorism and narcotics smuggling in maritime areas of responsibility; works with regional and other partners to improve overall security and stability; helps strengthen regional nations’ maritime capabilities and, when requested, responds to environmental and humanitarian crises.

  • Includes three Combined Task Forces:
    • CTF 150 (Maritime Security Operations and Counter-Terrorism)
    • CTF 151 (Counter Piracy)
    • CTF 152 (Maritime Security Operations in the Arabian Gulf)
  • 33 member nations: Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Iraq, Italy, Japan, Jordan, Republic of Korea, Kuwait, Malaysia, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Pakistan, The Philippines, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, Spain, Thailand, Turkey, UAE, United Kingdom, United States and Yemen.
  • Commanded by a U.S. Navy Vice Admiral, who also serves as Commander US Navy Central Command (NAVCENT) and US Navy Fifth Fleet. All three commands are co-located at US Naval Support Activity Bahrain.
  • Deputy Commander is a UK Royal Navy Commodore. Other senior staff roles at CMF headquarters are filled by personnel from member nations.
We are already there.
NSS....

That's the status quo; based out of a deployment that over 10 years has seen the original threat reduce, yet no re-framing to new ones.
Hence the link examining a US move from Mahan to Corbett.

Since 2011, China has developed its capacity quite a lot.
They conduct their own anti-piracy patrols in the area & still find time for the odd NEO Yemen battle prompts Chinese rescue
 
This being a Navy thread, do we have anything by the Communards?
 
"Don't leave me this way"as Batch 2 River sent to re-inforce(sic) an American CSG is left behind by their speed towards PacOps
Given that you're from Cumbria, I would have thought that Bronski Beat and 'Small-town Boy' was more your style... ;)
 
Given that you're from Cumbria, I would have thought that Bronski Beat and 'Small-town Boy' was more your style... ;)
Get with the drift...
I was at RMAS long before you - in fact,I was there before you were born, before leaving for Woolwich ;)
 
Anyone who thinks that now that Britain has an aircraft carrier they can simply sail off to the South China Sea and start the Third Opium War needs to get a grip on himself.

Britain has trading and diplomatic interests in east Asia, but those can only be advanced by understanding the issues and where Britain can fit into them. Going in like a bull in a china shop (no pun intended) and trying to tell everyone what to do isn't working out well for the US, and it would be hopeless for the UK to even try.
 
Anyone who thinks that now that Britain has an aircraft carrier they can simply sail off to the South China Sea and start the Third Opium War needs to get a grip on himself.

Britain has trading and diplomatic interests in east Asia, but those can only be advanced by understanding the issues and where Britain can fit into them. Going in like a bull in a china shop (no pun intended) and trying to tell everyone what to do isn't working out well for the US, and it would be hopeless for the UK to even try.
Who ever thought that FFS ?
Firstly its a damn silly idea
Secondly the logistics involved and the cost and critical mass of forces required is summat we simply don't have
Thirdly its a damn silly idea
Fourthly its a damn silly idea

Did I say its a damn silly idea ?
 
Anyone who thinks that now that Britain has an aircraft carrier they can simply sail off to the South China Sea and start the Third Opium War needs to get a grip on himself.

Britain has trading and diplomatic interests in east Asia, but those can only be advanced by understanding the issues and where Britain can fit into them. Going in like a bull in a china shop (no pun intended) and trying to tell everyone what to do isn't working out well for the US, and it would be hopeless for the UK to even try.
China now makes it's own drugs now....sigh.
 
China building a Casino and hotel resort in Cambodia that has "interesting" dimensions & specs, suitable for destroyers or fighters.

 

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