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Concerns about shutting down the Economy in Q4?

It’s a hard knock life, but what did it for us was watching the impact on the kids. Upending their lives was a $hit choice, and they are the future. Sometimes you just have to roll the dice and say a little prayer is you believe in that sort of thing.

But one can learn to live with a disability. I guess it all just depends on how one accepts mortality.
By taking the right precautions one can avoid becoming disabled in the first place.

Why would anyone want to risk a debilitating illness, disability or even death just so some feckless idiots can go out on the piss?
 
By taking the right precautions one can avoid becoming disabled in the first place.

Why would anyone want to risk a debilitating illness, disability or even death just so some feckless idiots can go out on the piss?
Can you really? You seem to leave out the Stuff happens factor of life.

Well why don't you ask that question to the legions of your countrymen who don't want to be locked down until 2022 or beyond?

Or maybe we can switch it around and ask who wants to give up on life for so long to save the elderly and sickly who won't live forever in the first place?? If you are at risk why don't you self isolate so you can live long and prosper.
 

anglo

LE
Depends what they're dying from. A COVID death is apparently worth shutting down the country for but all of those dying from heart disease, cancer etc. don't warrant that level of attention.
That's because during the last lockdown, half the NHS did sweet FA, and the other half worked until they dropped,
After the lockdown finished, I tried to get my ears syringed, not doing that they said,
even now they are still not doing it.
I got called in have my yearly lung test, when I got there, the nurse says we are not
doing the test, we just have a chat,
There's a lot of bullshit going on with the NHS
 

anglo

LE
Can you really? You seem to leave out the Stuff happens factor of life.

Well why don't you ask that question to the legions of your countrymen who don't want to be locked down until 2022 or beyond?

Or maybe we can switch it around and ask who wants to give up on life for so long to save the elderly and sickly who won't live forever in the first place?? If you are at risk why don't you self isolate so you can live long and prosper.
I'm 78, I don't want to hide away, we, The Mrs and I, protect ourselves the best we can,
we want to live life as normal as possible, if we get the virus,frecking bad luck,
I want to open the economy up or the future generations are going to be in poverty for years
IMHO
 
I'm 78, I don't want to hide away, we, The Mrs and I, protect ourselves the best we can,
we want to live life as normal as possible, if we get the virus,frecking bad luck,
I want to open the economy up or the future generations are going to be in poverty for years
IMHO
I think many people have come to the same conclusion, the guaranteed long term pain for the illusion of temporary safety. Without a vaccine we will have peaks and valleys and shutting things down every few months is the road to ruin.
 
No, the governmental policies of limiting places on nursing and medicine courses when demand has been extremely high for a decade+

Apart from when it hasn't.

Stick with the stuff you know, mate. Don't do the lefty NHS expert thing.

Really.
 

Truxx

LE
That's because during the last lockdown, half the NHS did sweet FA, and the other half worked until they dropped,
After the lockdown finished, I tried to get my ears syringed, not doing that they said,
even now they are still not doing it.
I got called in have my yearly lung test, when I got there, the nurse says we are not
doing the test, we just have a chat,
There's a lot of bullshit going on with the NHS
Plus their basic admin is a fcuking shambles.
 

Truxx

LE
There's a lot which can be redeployed but it's more akin to a load of squaddies being dropped off outside of a radar station and being expected to help run it during actual combat. The numbers look good on paper but in reality they will only be able to stand about listening for warning alarms, or more likely get in the way of the trained operators. In the end they would be sent off to manage base security and brews. You could probably get a few of the operators to show them what to look for on certain screens and to wave their arms about when something popped up, but they wouldn't be able to identify what is being detected, how to track, identify and report it on etc

A qualified person in a leadership role in current situations wouldn't work sadly, same as the radar example. If there's 12 screens to watch and one qualified person, it would still end up with the one qualified person still watching them all and being responsible for when SHTF, no matter if there's a dozen squaddies looking out for blips; the operator would still have to run over and ignore the other 11 screens which need constant monitoring and dealing with. Add in the complication that the other 11 screen can permanently switch off unless constantly watched over and adjusted by the specialised operator.

Add on top of that the constant threat of hospitals/individuals being taken to court if there's even a sniff of a step being done wrong and it's a non starter.

Frustrating doesn't even cut it.

You would think on paper, you could set up a triage, COVID is sent to to specialists, everything else is sent off to redeployed staff, eg broken bones and cuts. But the way roles have become so different, and the legality of not adhering to regulations for insurance/indemnity means it's just not going to fly. When something goes wrong and courts link it back to someone who hasn't had the required training then it's multi-million pound settlements, sackings and a bus of lawyers turning up in department so it doesn't happen again. Sadly a sign of the times.

The best that's been seen has been extra staff coming down to act as porters for transfering patients to a different part of the hospital

Definitely if the situation wasn't requiring ED/ITU response, say the result of COVID was brittle bones and hospitals were flooded with fractures, 100% it could be done, but again if there was some kind of complete waver of legal comeback by enacting it. Which won't ever come.

What should have been done is all educational staff redeployed to a safe site, constantly tested for virus etc. Extra staff from elsewhere who show the competence to specialise bussed in and given intensive training over 6 months to be able to help out the specialised staff. That probably could have been achieved skill wise in time for Winter. But getting NHS/government legal teams to write new legal covers for those staff/hospitals they would be deployed to, I don't think there's the will to do so, or if it is even possible under current laws.
Both during WW2 and after the military did exactly that. Need an amphibious logistic capability on the Irrawaddy river? Issue DUKW and a few instructors to bog basic RASC troggs. Post WW2 the RE were particularly adept, maintaining core capability (17 Port Training Regt). need a port running in Aden? Cycle a standard RE regiment through Marchwood, train them up, let them rip.
 

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