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Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Yeah.

Bloody socialists. What have they ever done for us.

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Created the modern British welfare state, and waged a determined war against subversion at home and abroad.

What’s already clear is that “Citizen Clem”, hero of the post-war welfare state and hardened “socialist”, should also be seen as a Cold War warrior, willing to use British intelligence to fight Soviet communism and maintain social democratic values.

Clement Attlee: Cold War records reveal new side to popular prime minister

This immature "student Grant" behaviour from Corbyn and more sinister ideology from Milne at al should not detract from the achievements of others (who would be more than likely appalled at what is going on now).
 
Yeah.

Bloody socialists. What have they ever done for us.

clement-attlee.jpg


Created the modern British welfare state, and waged a determined war against subversion at home and abroad.



Clement Attlee: Cold War records reveal new side to popular prime minister

This immature "student Grant" behaviour from Corbyn and more sinister ideology from Milne at al should not detract from the achievements of others (who would be more than likely appalled at what is going on now).
Major Atlee was one of the great British PMs who was not in any way perfect. While Winnie was winning the war, Atlee, as Deputy PM, running the country very successfully.

He was a socialist, not a communist, who saw socialism as a way to help people, not keep them forever. Atlee was not perfect, in any way, but he took a country bankrupt after WW2, using Marshall Aid, and started rebuilding it.

I am not a socialist but I do admire Major Atlee.
 
Major Atlee was one of the great British PMs who was not in any way perfect. While Winnie was winning the war, Atlee, as Deputy PM, running the country very successfully.

He was a socialist, not a communist, who saw socialism as a way to help people, not keep them forever. Atlee was not perfect, in any way, but he took a country bankrupt after WW2, using Marshall Aid, and started rebuilding it.

I am not a socialist but I do admire Major Atlee.

What you're saying is, he saw being a politician as one who serves his country not himself.
If only we had some of those people now.
 
Key words in there: social democratic.

We can split ideological hairs here, or accept that they went through the division lobbies singing "Jerusalem" in pursuit of a better country inspired by socialism as they saw it.

Just as conservatism has many facets, so does socialism.

My point was made to stop the frankly boring circle jerk that was developing.
 
I don't think Attlee would have been impressed with Corbyn. You could guarantee Corbyn would have been on the side of the North Koreans and Chinese in the Korean War for a start.
 
We can split ideological hairs here, or accept that they went through the division lobbies singing "Jerusalem" in pursuit of a better country inspired by socialism as they saw it.

Just as conservatism has many facets, so does socialism.

My point was made to stop the frankly boring circle jerk that was developing.
Some good points well made in the past few posts. Given that politics has shifted left in general, if Clement Attlee were alive and an active politician, which party would he most align with today? The reformed SDP?
 
We can split ideological hairs here, or accept that they went through the division lobbies singing "Jerusalem" in pursuit of a better country inspired by socialism as they saw it.

Just as conservatism has many facets, so does socialism.

My point was made to stop the frankly boring circle jerk that was developing.

I wasn't in any way disagreeing with you.

One thing I hate is the sneering from the Left about Tories - those mythical, privileged creatures for whom everything is exploitable and has a price, who will sell everything off, who will keep the poor destitute, who are vain, selfish, sexually deviant individuals (paedophilic, remember?) interested only in themselves. Who exist only to maintain the 'status quo' whereby they burn money to keep warm whilst the rest of us struggle.

If the Left is engaging in caricature, it is also descending into it itself. It cannot see that. It cannot see that the removal or defeat of 'the Tories' at absolutely any cost utterly debases any concept that it professes to have of creating a fair society.

A lot has been made of Labour's anti-Semitism. There's a fair case to be made that Labour is caricaturing 'Tories' in the same way as the Nazis did the Jews - as hate figures responsible for all evil whose eradication is to be pursued to the ultimate.

It is extremism by any measure.
 
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