Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

I've just done 3 x 'who should i vote for' online quizzes.

Answering honestly, apparently I'm either Tory or Brexiteer... hmmmm.... not sure the Sun and Telegraph ones are entirely impartial, but the one at 'isidewith' probably is.
 

civvy

Old-Salt
Unh hunh; you're just going to rely on that chip on your shoulder, then?
No, I'm trying not to derail the thread with dribble.

I was born in a post war slum clearance area. Everywhere was bombed out. We were piss poor. However, due to old Mr c having a bit up and go he won a place at a grammar school, then an engineering apprenticeship then years at night school. He came from the gutter to be a CEng designing vehicles. Likewise, I won. a place at grammar school, did an engineering apprenticeship, a part time degree, two part time masters degrees, CEng, CMath and got to the top of the tree. We were described by Labour as ''rich'. Whatever that meant.

Anyway, in this context rich is if you can take 3 years out of employment and manage without state support. If you can't do that and need state support then you are poor. Other contexts then the definition will differ.

Like if you do the national lottery you are poor. If you don't then you are rich.
 

Slime

LE
I've just done 3 x 'who should i vote for' online quizzes.

Answering honestly, apparently I'm either Tory or Brexiteer... hmmmm.... not sure the Sun and Telegraph ones are entirely impartial, but the one at 'isidewith' probably is.
I can see where you went wrong!

With your political leanings you are wasting your time ticking boxes for what you want. You need a quiz with answers that relate to what you are against, think is wrong or don’t want.

That will point you to today’s labour party every time ;)
 
I've just done 3 x 'who should i vote for' online quizzes.

Answering honestly, apparently I'm either Tory or Brexiteer... hmmmm.... not sure the Sun and Telegraph ones are entirely impartial, but the one at 'isidewith' probably is.
Ive found its best to do them twice - changing only the Brexit answers - (unless ignoring those is an option) as Brexit / remain position really skews the results.

Doing that I get Tory / Lib Dem - with Labour in absolutely negative territory - If I cheat and say Boris and Swinson are crap (Yes I know but stand fast ) and say Corbyn will be the best PM ever - labour becomes a slight negative vs slightly less positive Lib - Tory.

Having been told yet again a vote for the Lib dems is simply a vote for the tories - ive this time conceded the point and stated I will vote Tory - Judging by the reaction that wasn't perhaps the planned for result.
 

mcphee1948

Old-Salt
Do you think it will really make any difference whatever way you vote.

The main point is this - Brexit will not be allowed to happen. Hasn't that been obvious ever since the people voted the "wrong" way in the 2016 referendum.

The people will be forced to do another referendum. And this time, it will result in "Remain".

I mean, how obvious can it get?
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
My understanding is that the taking of photographs without prior permission is a big no no in most hospitals where at the very least the permission of the senior sister on duty is required, but would be unlikely to be given in the circumstances.......so someone should be hauled across hot coals regardless.
Aye,

Having done the job (PRO at at an NHS Trust), I can tell you that the biggest thing is patient consent - which translates into parental consent in the case of a minor. Without that, taking pictures for publication is a BIG no-no.

To illustrate the levels of strictness, I once had a case where some poor lad was playing junior league football one Saturday morning and was the subject of a heavy tackle - heavy to the extent that it acted like a crush injury which totally ruined the blood supply and he lost his leg. It was a freak happening, and awful for the lad concerned.

I got a call from a reporter on one of the local papers asking for a condition check on the patient. I got asked the direct question: "Is it true he's lost his leg?"

I responded that without the patient's direct permission that I couldn't release the information.

The reporter got exasperated. It turned out that the patient was a close friend of hers, she'd been at the match and she knew exactly what had happened then and subsequently - exactly.

I had to tell her again, in the face of much pleading and cajoling, that I simply couldn't say anything without express consent. I couldn't even hint at what had happened or even confirm that he'd lost the leg - not without permission. The rules are there for a reason, and they are absolute in nature.

For quite some years now, most Trusts have had media managers - it is his/her role to - well, as the name implies, manage relations with the media. It's not down to ward sisters and the like. I've seen departmental seniors get a right bollocking for going independent when dealing with the external media (as distinct from an internal newsletter).

Like you, I struggle to see that official permission was given for this - there's a political angle that a media manager would be keen not to be involved with/be seen to be sympathetic to. That's especially true at election time - see my previous about purdah.

To illustrate that (purdah), the Trust I was at had to undergo a major realignment of services. That involved the closure of A&E services at a major hospital/population centre under its control.

We spent weeks getting the media message right. That involved working across the Trust with many very busy senior people to get their endorsements and assurances, to make sure that the messages were precisely right, and to brief staff.

We briefed the staff at three main sites on Wednesday to Friday. On Monday, we got a call from the Department of Health saying that we weren't allowed to say anything to the press or public. Never mind that the cat was now out of the bag, that staff would have told family and friends and so on; we weren't allowed to say a word.

The reason? The European elections. Labour was in the shit and knew it was about to take a kicking. So, to avoid the adverse publicity, it lied. It gave a statement saying that purdah was "normal during elections". Yes - national elections, not European ones.

Nevertheless, we were banned from putting a very well-planned and fair information campaign into operation. We had to endure weeks of a chiseling díckhead of a local reporter who drummed up all sorts of scare stories and rumours. All we could say was, "No comment".

We took a kicking but not under any circumstances - any - were we allowed to say anything.

So, as you say, if someone did give official permission for this he/she should be having a conversation about somewhat limited future options. If it was unofficial, a similar interview about similarly limited prospects should be taking place.

The whole thing, including the Trust's apparent apology, smells very odd to me.
 

Truxx

LE
I’ve just watched the latest Conservative party election broadcast, it was shown on ITV at 19.00.
It’s a really good one imho. it’s not as good as the Green one from a while back that featured little kids in a playground, but has to be my second favourite from the last two general elections.
I enjoyed it too. Although the thought did occur to me that Boris was given the cards so as not to fcuk up
 

Slime

LE
This is the party political broadcast I mentioned I saw at 19.00 today.

I found it pretty good.

 

Truxx

LE
I've just done 3 x 'who should i vote for' online quizzes.

Answering honestly, apparently I'm either Tory or Brexiteer... hmmmm.... not sure the Sun and Telegraph ones are entirely impartial, but the one at 'isidewith' probably is.
Yes but did you know what you were ticking for?
 
I don't know if the Labour party is capable of being repaired. I question the foundations it was built on. It seems to me that a lot of supporters are ignorant of or choose to ignore some sinister truths. Democracy needs to provide for representation of various points of view but should there be lines drawn so that insanity of the past isn't repeated?

Labour’s reverence for the murderers of millions

By Philip Vander Elst
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December 10, 2019

Labour’s reverence for the murderers of millions | The Conservative Woman
 
I don't know if the Labour party is capable of being repaired. I question the foundations it was built on. It seems to me that a lot of supporters are ignorant of or choose to ignore some sinister truths. Democracy needs to provide for representation of various points of view but should there be lines drawn so that insanity of the past isn't repeated?

Labour’s reverence for the murderers of millions

By Philip Vander Elst
-
December 10, 2019

Labour’s reverence for the murderers of millions | The Conservative Woman
Insantity is someone voting Labour again who has lived through the last time they bankrupted the nation
 
Do you think it will really make any difference whatever way you vote.

The main point is this - Brexit will not be allowed to happen. Hasn't that been obvious ever since the people voted the "wrong" way in the 2016 referendum.

The people will be forced to do another referendum. And this time, it will result in "Remain".

I mean, how obvious can it get?
And how is the weather in St Petersburg?
 
If that Marxist POS gets in, this country is finished. Having devoted service to Queen & Country and mindful that nobody under the age of 39 knows a bloody thing about how bad it was in the 70's, for the first time ever I am contemplating leaving the UK if possible. This country will now be a big fat target for every other country with no membership of NATO, withdrawal from Five Eyes, an enemy of the United States, our closest ally and the destruction of our way of life and economy.
 
Some will have lived through two periods - 70's and 90's/00's - and still they'll vote for them.
My GSL (Group Scout Leader) is a sixty year old Wythenshawe boy (Mancunians will know what that means) who is staunch Labour, living in a Labour seat with a 5k majority. He intends to, for the first time in his life, at the risk of his father rotating fast enough in his grave to power the national grid, vote Conservative. He will never do it again. But he cannot and will not vote for Corbyn.

The Northern Powerhouse may be full of deceased committed socialists acting like motors in their coffins, as their sons and daughters do the unthinkable
 

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