Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Slime

LE
Long shot kick de bucket.


Many of you will know this song already. For those unfamiliar with it ‘Long shot kick de bucket’ was the second song about the same race horse. the first song was called ‘Long shot bus me bet’ (Long shot bust my bet in U.K. English).
 

Slime

LE
If we're not careful, this will be our new National Anthem come Friday

Sung by a good champagne socialist too

 

Truxx

LE
That is a real problem. (You and I are in the same boat, by the way.)

A problem is that many of those now doing the recruiting are a product of degreeification. It railroads thinking.
We needed a new bedding storeman

Being effectively a civil service job applications had to be "competence" based

We got one application from a chap who wrote "I have been a bedding storeman at Catteric for 26 years"

Who then had to be excluded because his application was not competence based
 

philc

LE
And here is your new core Labour voter, 7 kids, on benefits and no job.

This story was first in The Mirror, sort of evil Tories vote Labour, have a feeling its rather backfired. This is not what a welfare system is about.
 
This story was first in The Mirror, sort of evil Tories vote Labour, have a feeling its rather backfired. This is not what a welfare system is about.
It was first in the Liverpool Echo, as usual the paper of thieving, lazy, work-shy, benefit scrounging, professional victims*, blame the Conservatives.




* @CAARPS @MrShanklysboots
 
Art is not going to write it's own history is it?
I wish you hadn't said that. My big bad book of things-to-do is large enough already.

I'm afraid that within literally milliseconds of reading your words I'd envisaged the system design for a wifi-enabled, pen-equipped, steampunk robot to scamper around writing the history of art in exotic fonts, dash up the nearest wall (drawing pictures as it goes), take a photograph, put photo in cloud, dash back down, erase what it had written, start on the next 'page' and repeat until finished ... and the high-level software design is now mentally sketched out. But that's just version 1, which has gone obsolescent between starting to write this para and 3, 2, 1 Mark. Version 2 will, additionally, use both fluorescent paint and texture/relief to show different text under different lighting conditions and ... damn, version 3 is going use lasers and take full advantage of the Scottish weather, plus drones to capture the 3D aspects ... and this, gentlefolk, is how requirements creep happens and why nothing I ever do gets past the prototype stage.

Still, that's the easy bit - it's designing the secure, automated maintenance system that's the fun part.
 

Cold_Collation

LE
Book Reviewer
We needed a new bedding storeman

Being effectively a civil service job applications had to be "competence" based

We got one application from a chap who wrote "I have been a bedding storeman at Catteric for 26 years"

Who then had to be excluded because his application was not competence based
Part of the problem in this country was the race to the bottom in terms of grades under Labour. To boost passes, and grades, the less stringent (that is, easier) exam boards were used.

To my mind, how you can give a pass to anyone who scores less than 50 percent is ridiculous. 30 percent is just taking the proverbial.

I can see the justification to a degree (sorry!) for insisting on a degree. It suggests a given level of confidence in subject knowledge, as well as associated skills - literacy, numeracy and articulacy. However, the levels of all three of the latter (together with a smattering of common sense) just don't seem to be there any more. I've met some moronic 'graduates'. (I have, by token, met some very bright kids. Blame the system, sometimes at least, rather than the raw material.)

I think part of the problem is prescriptive teaching, and teaching to the exam. I've detailed this before: the barmaid in my local knows I write for a living and asked me to look over a paper she was doing for a degree in caring for children with difficulties. I read the paper, suggested a few grammatical changes, and then made some observations about how she might broaden the content.

Her response was that she had been told that her answers had to be based around a single chapter in a single book. Basically, hers was a comprehension and retention exercise. It wasn't about expanding upon a point and developing thinking. It was closing thinking. It was what I would have been expected to do in English at O-level. To my mind, it wasn't degree-level learning.

But back to those exam boards: when students were getting an 'A' at A-level in Maths but universities were still talking about having to give them foundation courses before they start the degree course, questions - hard questions (sorry again!) needed to be asked. There was a lot of pushback from the unions and those who make an 'industry' (as distinct from a profession) of education.

When I said that degreeifiction (yes, that has become the accepted term, whatever spell checker says) was an international phenomenon, I had in mind some of the articles I've written for magazines in the maritime sector. You can now get a degree in Seamanship, for instance. I think part of the problem is that some of these things are called degrees because no-one has come up with another term - one that doesn't offend/keeps everyone happy.


Just some thoughts. None of this explains how someone with 26 years of competence wasn't seen to be competent. No doubt there's a matrix that someone in HR can use to justify that to you.

[/OUTRAGEOUS THREAD DRIFT]
 
No one said that. How is tractor production, as you can't discuss the dismal failure of current nursing, and the treatment of nurses by their employers, without resorting to nastiness?
Points to note:

1. ISTR he is in healthcare management
2. Failings in a system can usually be traced upwards
3. The best form of defence is attack
4. Do the math
 
The audio for the bottom pic is the best part of those pics.
One of the men is saying I want to project an image of being a serious politician, and hope this photo next to this terrorist doesn’t get published’

I can’t remember what Corbyn said though ;)

Can you imagine Jeremy and the Revd Paisley being known as the Chuckle Brothers ...

 
Hateful bunch of immature losers who must have been the weakest, wimpiest kids, most introverted dullards at school, hence having an underlying stink of resentment in everything that say and do.
This.

Lock the thread.
 
Points to note:

1. ISTR he is in healthcare management
2. Failings in a system can usually be traced upwards
3. The best form of defence is attack
4. Do the math

TBF,
1. I've known a few good people take the flak for those above (who, in turn .. upward as well as downward loyalty).
2. People tend to notice the failures more often than they do the successes.
3. A good manager will get defensive about their people.
4. Even the best of managers have got one or two perennial idiots they can't do much about.
 
That's something that's caught me out. I recently finished a contract and was dumped into unemployment. This was the first time in seven years I've been unemployed. When I wasn't looking the rules have changed which has left me a bit buggered.
Now a Degree is seen as a basic level of education. I went for a job and they said no, despite me having 20 years experience, because I didn't have a degree. A little while ago I answered an advert which asked for a Degree or similar experience. Being published in the field multiple times I figured I have the experience. Got refused, so I followed up with a request for feedback, to be told I don't know anything about the field because I didn't have a degree.
It’s been going on for years in one form or another.

Mid 80’s Grad Officers had an accelerated promotion profile which (correct me if I’m wrong someone) meant they climbed the time based promotion ladder 2Lt-Capt with a head start of 100% of years spent at Uni. We had one who had spent 4 years studying Egyptology who then became an overnight expert in Armoured Warfare and an almost overnight Capt. He improved his standing immeasurably by moaning to the Adjt that subbies weren’t saluting him first thing in the morning.
 
Anyone got a picture of Corbyn together with that fellow on the left?
I couldn't find one in my brief google (I like to present a balanced picture, but one can only do so much ...). TBF to Jeremy, though, I couldn't find many of him smiling anyway.
 

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