Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

Please tell that to all my Corbinist friends on face book - who insist on comparing most expensive UK rate with cheapest French - Ignore that a return in France has no reduction its effectively 2 singles and if theres a problem in the UK the rail provides a bus - in France its a case of your stuck go hire a car not our problem.

Because all I get is told im a thick brainwashed Tory apologist when I try to point out its not all roses.

Occasionally Corbynistas who dont know me will add xenophobic little Englander swallowing Daily Mail propaganda and suggest I actually visit France and see for myself.
It is cheap at point of purchase, due to the service user paying a fraction of the actual real cost there. It is like legalised fare-dodging. Most acceptable to socialists who believe in other people paying for their perks.
 
France’s SNCF is nationalised. It is inefficient, highly subsidised by the taxpayer and its personnel have extremely extravagant employment perks, terms and conditions. These they regularly increase by holding the country to hostage by strikes led by their Communist trades union.
I think that’s Corbyn’s plan to pay back his union backers:
1. Nationalise large national industries.
2. Rescind all those nasty and discriminatory union laws.
3. Introduce closed shops in all nationalised industries.
Back to the 1970’s.
 
I think that’s Corbyn’s plan to pay back his union backers:
1. Nationalise large national industries.
2. Rescind all those nasty and discriminatory union laws.
3. Introduce closed shops in all nationalised industries.
Back to the 1970’s.
That's just for starters!
 
I have been reading Scott Adam's book The Dilbert Future this morning and was struck by one paragraph, relating to how the news is reported, which said:

"Social problems are reported as statistics that rise and fall for no apparent reason. The only fun part is watching politicians trying to distribute blame without actually using the phrase, "I sure hope you voters are as dumb as you look!".

Well, a whole bunch of Labour voters now realise that is just how some of their MPs think of them. I will be interested to see how Labour apportions the blame if they are trashed in the election - perhaps they can blame it on the "wrong" sort of voters...

On a personal note I was dreading the election campaign, the endless lies, finger pointing and talking heads going on and on ad nauseum but I now find myself quite enjoying the spectacle of the slow motion train crash that is the Labour Party :)
Unfortunately there are still many thousands who will still vote for them because they are a Labour candidate, not because they are any good!
 
Is it still Labour’s aim to re-open coal pits because I can’t wait to see how they reconcile that with their stance on climate change and fracking (or has this been changed to an aspiration)?
 

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Is it still Labour’s aim to re-open coal pits because I can’t wait to see how they reconcile that with their stance on climate change and fracking (or has this been changed to an aspiration)?
Is Presidenté for Life Arthur Scargill going to lead them on strike as soon as the pits are renationalised?
 
I have been reading Scott Adam's book The Dilbert Future this morning and was struck by one paragraph, relating to how the news is reported, which said:

"Social problems are reported as statistics that rise and fall for no apparent reason. The only fun part is watching politicians trying to distribute blame without actually using the phrase, "I sure hope you voters are as dumb as you look!".

Well, a whole bunch of Labour voters now realise that is just how some of their MPs think of them. I will be interested to see how Labour apportions the blame if they are trashed in the election - perhaps they can blame it on the "wrong" sort of voters...

On a personal note I was dreading the election campaign, the endless lies, finger pointing and talking heads going on and on ad nauseum but I now find myself quite enjoying the spectacle of the slow motion train crash that is the Labour Party :)
Scott Adams is very good. I'm glad that hard left Labour are being shown up for what they are. Dangerous extremists. Lib Dem's change seemed to start under Nick Clegg. I had hoped that the revised SDP would make some gains in the traditional Lib Dem areas but they are essentially a fledgeling party. That may change as nature abhors a vacuum. Patrick O'Flynn is good with his observations on what's going on: Patrick O'Flynn (@oflynnsocial) | Twitter

What we need from politicians is more honesty, better analysis and logic but much less emotional rhetoric and lies.
 

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Is it still Labour’s aim to re-open coal pits because I can’t wait to see how they reconcile that with their stance on climate change and fracking (or has this been changed to an aspiration)?

Can't wait for them to try that
Who are they going to get to go down t'pit and actually get the coal out?
All the miners are old blokes now
the young kids won't do it and anyway it'll be three blokes with a large machine doing the job of hundreds
The three blokes won't vote Labour because they will be earning £60k plus and that'll send them right into Labours target of high earners.

Labour have forgotten that kids who grew up on council estates can actually get on in life and some are earning decent wages.
 
Can't wait for them to try that
Who are they going to get to go down t'pit and actually get the coal out?
All the miners are old blokes now
the young kids won't do it and anyway it'll be three blokes with a large machine doing the job of hundreds
The three blokes won't vote Labour because they will be earning £60k plus and that'll send them right into Labours target of high earners.

Labour have forgotten that kids who grew up on council estates can actually get on in life and some are earning decent wages.
Political prisoners and class enemies. The denizens of this forum.
 
Unfortunately there are still many thousands who will still vote for them because they are a Labour candidate, not because they are any good!

My bold, I'm not so sure of that in some of their less "vibrantly enriched" constituencies, yes most would not vote tory under any circumstance BUT many are being swayed to vote BP as they see mass immigration as a threat to their traditional way of life!
Of course in many/most of the "vibrantly enriched" areas where certain ethnicities are in the majority, they see Labour as a way of enriching themselves and their fellow ethnics, hence the mass postal vote frauds!
 

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France’s SNCF is nationalised. It is inefficient, highly subsidised by the taxpayer and its personnel have extremely extravagant employment perks, terms and conditions. These they regularly increase by holding the country to hostage by strikes led by their Communist trades union.
So if it's such a cushy job, why didn't / don't you go work for SNCF?

Unions acting to improve working conditions in one sector forces other employers to improve their offers. It's called the labour market.
Do you think the army would offer a pension scheme if no other employers did?
 

The_Gremlin

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Can't wait for them to try that

Labour have forgotten that kids who grew up on council estates can actually get on in life and some are earning decent wages.
True in the past, say from 1950 to 1990.
But that was when the UK was generally doing better. A rising tide floats all boats.
Things have changed more recently. The UK is going downhill and social mobility is reducing.
 
So if it's such a cushy job, why didn't / don't you go work for SNCF?

Unions acting to improve working conditions in one sector forces other employers to improve their offers. It's called the labour market.
Do you think the army would offer a pension scheme if no other employers did?
You are so far off the mark that you really show yourself for what you are.
 
True in the past, say from 1950 to 1990.
But that was when the UK was generally doing better. A rising tide floats all boats.
Things have changed more recently. The UK is going downhill and social mobility is reducing.
There was also the widespread opportunity to get into your local Grammar School and obtain the education and qualifications difficult to come by in the Secondary Modern Schools - a route taken by myself which has stood me in good stead ever since.
The Labour Party ‘Politics Of Envy’ has decimated that route for most young people today.
 
True in the past, say from 1950 to 1990.
But that was when the UK was generally doing better. A rising tide floats all boats.
Things have changed more recently. The UK is going downhill and social mobility is reducing.
Due to the implementation of socialist policies. We know that and we are trying to do something about it. (Edited for typo and automatic spellchecker adjustment).
 
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The_Gremlin

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Due to the implementation of socialist policies. We know that and we are trying to dispersing about it.
Could you explain your point a bit more?
In English?
 

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