Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

I don't think he's referring to that particular title of Animal Farm.
I'd watched that one as well, but nope I didn't mean that one
 
So about 14% in London and 5% in North West. That's more or less negligible other than being grouped in a handful of constituencies. And therefore negligible for the majority of the 650 seats contested at a general election.
Urban constituencies are small in area. Spread that 14% across London and it has a sizeable impact especially as a considerable number will do exactly as the community elders dictate.

You also missed my point which is that the Muslim vote is worth chasing (see above), the Sikh vote isn’t.
 

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Urban constituencies are small in area. Spread that 14% across London and it has a sizeable impact especially as a considerable number will do exactly as the community elders dictate.

You also missed my point which is that the Muslim vote is worth chasing (see above), the Sikh vote isn’t.
Its been mentioned before but the Labour policy of allowing tenants to buy the property they are in may backfire, many of the Muslim elders are just that, landlords with not insignificant portfolios.
 

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Urban constituencies are small in area. Spread that 14% across London and it has a sizeable impact especially as a considerable number will do exactly as the community elders dictate.

You also missed my point which is that the Muslim vote is worth chasing (see above), the Sikh vote isn’t.
And you've missed MY point. Chasing the muslim vote in constituencies you are fair able to describe as "safe" already is a losing proposition if you alienate the white working class vote in the north now there is a palatable alternative to voting conservative in the form of The Brexit Party. Doubly so when the majority of those constituencies voted overwhelmingly for leave and other party policies are prevent Brexit happening in the hope Boris Johnson gets blamed. The most important vote for the Labour party remains the white working class. And yet it is the demographic that they most often overlook (indeed outright look down on) and view with contempt.

With 650 constituencies, and with the Speaker's seat and the Sinn Fein seats never being occupied, a party needs to win in the region of 320 seats to hold a working majority. That means winning the key marginals. Increasing your share of the vote in safe seats by appealing to the ethnic vote, but at the expense of winning the floating working class and lower middle class vote in the key marginals (Mondeo Man and White Van Man are the voters that win elections for parties) might be good for the feel goodz at Party Conference time but is of **** all use in delivering your election manifesto.
 
And you've missed MY point. Chasing the muslim vote in constituencies you are fair able to describe as "safe" already is a losing proposition if you alienate the white working class vote in the north now there is a palatable alternative to voting conservative in the form of The Brexit Party. Doubly so when the majority of those constituencies voted overwhelmingly for leave and other party policies are prevent Brexit happening in the hope Boris Johnson gets blamed. The most important vote for the Labour party remains the white working class. And yet it is the demographic that they most often overlook (indeed outright look down on) and view with contempt.

With 650 constituencies, and with the Speaker's seat and the Sinn Fein seats never being occupied, a party needs to win in the region of 320 seats to hold a working majority. That means winning the key marginals. Increasing your share of the vote in safe seats by appealing to the ethnic vote, but at the expense of winning the floating working class and lower middle class vote in the key marginals (Mondeo Man and White Van Man are the voters that win elections for parties) might be good for the feel goodz at Party Conference time but is of **** all use in delivering your election manifesto.
Our Democratic Party adopted a similar strategy of effectively abandoning the white, blue collar voter in the 2016 election. Note the date of the article and that Politico is in many respects one of the house organs for that party.

 
Labour supporters allegedly at Neo Nazi antisemitism event

 
IIt looks like to some of them, that antisemitism has been normalised in the Labour Party to such a degree they feel closer to Neo Nazis than moderate Labour supporters
 
The one "good" thing about the Muslim communities is that they tend to ghettoise themselves which means they may well return a Labour MP in a small number of constituencies, but that is not going to affect the outcome of a general election. Even without those Muslim votes those constituencies would probably be safe Labour seats anyway.

The Hindu, Sikh and Jewish voters are much more spread out and exist in most constituencies, and there votes will be significant in marginals.
 
And the kinder, gentler politics of Momentum continues

 

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The one "good" thing about the Muslim communities is that they tend to ghettoise themselves which means they may well return a Labour MP in a small number of constituencies, but that is not going to affect the outcome of a general election. Even without those Muslim votes those constituencies would probably be safe Labour seats anyway.

The Hindu, Sikh and Jewish voters are much more spread out and exist in most constituencies, and there votes will be significant in marginals.
Yes and no. There's still a need for boundary reform. Some votes are effectively worth more because of the sizes of some constituencies.

What continues to strike me is how, in the general media, the Muslim community continues to hold so much space and importance. The Hindus and Sikhs are largely invisible. The Jewish community is getting more visibility at the moment because of Labour's problems with it.

Why does the Muslim community continue to attract so much attention?
 
Yes and no. There's still a need for boundary reform. Some votes are effectively worth more because of the sizes of some constituencies.

What continues to strike me is how, in the general media, the Muslim community continues to hold so much space and importance. The Hindus and Sikhs are largely invisible. The Jewish community is getting more visibility at the moment because of Labour's problems with it.

Why does the Muslim community continue to attract so much attention?
Perhaps it is the only religion out of those you mention who want to destroy Israel and the "decadent" west.
 
Why does the Muslim community continue to attract so much attention?
A, because some people pander to them.
B, if you dont pander to them, you are clearly a Nazi.
 
*started by Mosley while he was in the Labour party.
Another of those skilfully ignored facts
Face book is awash with Tory = Nazi = Fascist = Far right etc and a recurring one that pops up is how Mosley was a Tory before he was a fascist proving the Tories are only 1 step away from being fascists.

I of course would never point out that Mosley left the conservatives joined Labour and then became a fascist and I most certainly would not then ask if that made labour closer to fascism than the tories.

Ok I wouldn't if I didn't see the post - sadly to many of my friends are both socialists and remain and so they cannot resist believing any Tories are evil type meme and I cannot resist throwing in the hand grenade of factual argument.
 
Perhaps it is the only religion out of those you mention who want to destroy Israel and the "decadent" west.
Apart from the Eco cults and the Labour Party who want the same thing, and the Eco cults might as well be a religion

And Momentum have pretty much turned the Labour Party into a religion with Jeremy Corbyn as their prophet
 
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