Comrade Corbyn to the fore - whither (or wither) the Labour Party?

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But they aren't - because their (new) core support is convinced that its all a right wing media smear -

So for their supporters there is no problem Pointing out the issue only furthers the idea its an anti Corbyn campaign .
Which is the other issue If you say Labour has an issue with anti Semitism - the immediate programmed social media response is to decry claims as a smear campaign against Corbyn and Corbyn speaks against anti Semitism.

Furthermore Its obvious its a right wing media smear because nobodies talking about how racist / islamaphobic the Tories are.

Its not hurting Momentum Labour 1 jot with its supporters and if you are an ex Labour voter / a Labour MP who speaks out clearly you were just a red tory.
Perhaps. But then how big is 'Momentum Labour'?

If it's an infinitesimally small bunch of Trots and Bolshies then so what?
 
The thought of the Labour Party getting their grubby little hands on the Police and the Security Services is more frightening than anything.
Read up on how the Communists seized power in Czechslovakia 1945 - 48 with about 1/3 of the vote in the 1946 GE (the last democratic one the country had for some time). OK they were almost surrounded by countries occupied by the Soviet Army and had a Soviet military presence on their territory.
 
Perhaps. But then how big is 'Momentum Labour'?

If it's an infinitesimally small bunch of Trots and Bolshies then so what?
It’s the proportion of activists within the party and their placement that counts.
 
Perhaps. But then how big is 'Momentum Labour'?

If it's an infinitesimally small bunch of Trots and Bolshies then so what?
Its attracted the youth - look at extinction rebellion - its anti capitalists who've conned the youth into believing if there was no private industry there would be no pollution - all environmental disasters are caused by capitalists (produce leaflet detailing these).
We need instant change to save the planet. Your governments in the pocket of the rich that's why it does nothing. We all realise that you cant just replace all bad power with good power overnight - but the youth dont and if you try to explain it - its fake news - part of the problem - right wing lies etc.

Same with momentum - and its playbook.
Against a socialist economy that equates to you want to destroy the NHS and ditch welfare - because the 2 issues - social welfare policies and the economic model have been conflated.
Do you want an NHS yes - well then you are a socialist.
Identity politics and not allowing a middle ground is working for these people
 
Its attracted the youth - look at extinction rebellion - its anti capitalists who've conned the youth into believing if there was no private industry there would be no pollution - all environmental disasters are caused by capitalists (produce leaflet detailing these).
We need instant change to save the planet. Your governments in the pocket of the rich that's why it does nothing. We all realise that you cant just replace all bad power with good power overnight - but the youth dont and if you try to explain it - its fake news - part of the problem - right wing lies etc.

Same with momentum - and its playbook.
Against a socialist economy that equates to you want to destroy the NHS and ditch welfare - because the 2 issues - social welfare policies and the economic model have been conflated.
Do you want an NHS yes - well then you are a socialist.
Identity politics and not allowing a middle ground is working for these people
What he said +++ !
 
Its attracted the youth - look at extinction rebellion - its anti capitalists who've conned the youth into believing if there was no private industry there would be no pollution - all environmental disasters are caused by capitalists (produce leaflet detailing these).
We need instant change to save the planet. Your governments in the pocket of the rich that's why it does nothing. We all realise that you cant just replace all bad power with good power overnight - but the youth dont and if you try to explain it - its fake news - part of the problem - right wing lies etc.

Same with momentum - and its playbook.
Against a socialist economy that equates to you want to destroy the NHS and ditch welfare - because the 2 issues - social welfare policies and the economic model have been conflated.
Do you want an NHS yes - well then you are a socialist.
Identity politics and not allowing a middle ground is working for these people
In addition, there is one genuine grievance that is pushing young undecided voters towards Labour and that is housing. Labour is exploiting this as being the fault of greedy capitalism pushing house prices up so that landlords can charge higher rents. It isn't. It is purely supply and demand caused by the inabiity to obtain planning permits for construction companies to build more new homes and to create homes from old offices and industrial units. But it is often Labour which is at the forefront of planning restrictions (as well as NIMBY's).
 
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In addition, there is one genuine grievance that is pushing young undecided voters towards Labour and that is housing. Labour is exploiting this as being the fault of greedy capitalism pushing house prices up so that landlords can charge higher rents. It isn't. It is purely supply and demand caused by the inabiity to obtain planning permits for construction companies to build more new homes and to create homes from old offices and industrial units. But it is often Labour which is at the forefront of planning restrictions (as well as NIMBY's)
It's also down to Labour destroying private pensions so that pension savings moved into property instead. That combined with an artificially low interest rate and the banks loosening the requirements for a mortgage from 3 times salary to silly multiples, meaning that there was more money chasing the available housing stock.
 
In addition, there is one genuine grievance that is pushing young undecided voters towards Labour and that is housing. Labour is exploiting this as being the fault of greedy capitalism pushing house prices up so that landlords can charge higher rents. It isn't. It is purely supply and demand caused by the inabiity to obtain planning permits for construction companies to build more new homes and to create homes from old offices and industrial units. But it is often Labour which is at the forefront of planning restrictions (as well as NIMBY's).

A lot like my own MP Ropey Racheal Maskell.
On the local radio and T.V moaning about the Tories ruining the NHS and affordable housing.
The same MP who stood in York town centre telling local people what did it matter if the city had to get bigger or we had to wait longer for an operation or we had to pay more into the system as long as we saturated the city with refugee's.
Constantly banging on about how only Socialism can save the day.

Anti Semitic, Socialists standing on a united Europe have we not been here before.
 
It's also down to Labour destroying private pensions so that pension savings moved into property instead. That combined with an artificially low interest rate and the banks loosening the requirements for a mortgage from 3 times salary to silly multiples, meaning that there was more money chasing the available housing stock.
Dont forget Labours social equality policy - That anyone could live anywhere and so if an unemployed chap wanted to live on Mayfair The council would pay the rent.
Rent limits removed - Rents increased - more people speculated on buying - prices shot up creating the housing bubble - now people cant sell because people cant afford to buy - prices stagnated and wages too.
 
Who do you think you are kidding Mr Corbyn, if you think all voters are dumb

 
It's also down to Labour destroying private pensions so that pension savings moved into property instead. That combined with an artificially low interest rate and the banks loosening the requirements for a mortgage from 3 times salary to silly multiples, meaning that there was more money chasing the available housing stock.
Add Labour not investing in building or infrastructure. Add Labour encouraging mass inward migration at the same time.

Every poisonous little thing that could have been added to the mix, they did. And then blamed the Tories.
 

Plenty of denial going on. Caller to LBC said she had watched 10 or 15minutes of Panorama and gave up on it because it didn't seem balanced... As iain Dale responded "So you gave up watching after 10 minutes because there was stuff you didn't want to hear" - not a precise quote but words to that effect.
It's a conspiracy... Meanwhile 30 more whistle blowers have come forward.
 
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Bit like the NHS auditors investigating why GPs have 3 million more people on their books than there are officially in the UK.

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Hang on a minute Labour will blame it on a Mossad plot to discredit the NHS, or blame it on a Tory Brexit
 

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